It’s a bold move but I don’t see it changing the outcome of the ongoing war. If Ukraine could build long-range ballistic missiles in the near future, I think they could regain the advantage even without any nuclear warheads. Nuclear warheads would not be useful without those ballistic missiles.
(What would happen if Ukraine did have nuclear-armed ballistic missiles but Russia refused to withdraw from Ukrainian territory? I don’t foresee Ukraine actually nuking Russia, even in those circumstances.)
Just package it as a good old gravity bomb or glide bomb?
Or get creative and mount it on a swarm of large drones (with the others being decoys for SAMs). Maybe like a fleet of old prop planes flying very low.
This is very hypothetical though, no one should hope for Ukraine reaching the point of even considering an actual launch of a nuke.
Man fuck these comments, nuke Russia you pussies. I’ll deliver the missiles myself if that’s what you need. Strap me to the rocket and fire me at Moscow!
Name checks out?
Dude, that’s my meme that I made
Is that a problem? You don’t want your meme shared or something? I thought it was great.
You’re making it look like it’s Ukraine’s choice. They’re being forced to the nuclear path by the internal enemies within NATO that are fucking everything up
Ukraine gave up those nukes in exchange for security assurances. If Russia is going to go back on its assurance, then Ukraine should be able to go back to the nukes. Fair is fair.
As a former SSR that held nuclear weapons on its territory before 1968, they even oughta be free and clear with respect to the non proliferation treaty.
As a former SSR that held nuclear weapons on its territory before 1968, they even oughta be free and clear with respect to the non proliferation treaty.
Is that true? If the worst comes to pass, I wonder what the UN will say (not that it matters…)
what the UN will say
“Well, they have nukes now, so international law is now more like international suggestions for them”
Tankies will be in here supporting nuclear options unironically.
No they won’t!
They supported nuclear options only so long as their cock-holster putin was the only one with said option.
Now it becomes ‘Everyone has to forcefully disarm a rogue nuclear state for Russia!’ or some other bs.
Give them time, their talking points are slow over the weekend.
Sad when a comedian has more balls than all of NATO combined
What the fuck is that artwork?
It’s disrespectful to South Park.
Just need to get a little cancer, Stan
Why, why Mr. Zelensky, don’t you develop nuclear weapons like other nations: in silence?
No development required, I think they can open a drawer somewhere and pick one of several soviet designs. If they want a nuke, they can build one right away.
It would cost them the support of their allies, however, and they cannot afford that.
It’s saber rattling.
The support may be dropping away anyway.
Imagine a right wing US/EU election sweep from Zelensky’s point of view. They’re going to force Ukraine to capitulate, and in a very lopsided manner that cripples Ukraine forever, hence this could be an actual option/last resort more than a threat.
Would a right wing US government force a capitulation? I was under the impression that support from the US was bipartisan.
Are you kidding? Trump hates Zelensky with a burning passion, because he personally wronged him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Ukraine_scandal
The Trump–Ukraine scandal was a political scandal that arose primarily from the discovery of U.S. President Donald Trump’s attempts to coerce Ukraine into investigating his political rival Joe Biden and thus potentially damage Biden’s campaign for the 2020 Democratic Party presidential nomination.
He’s going to screw Ukraine and offer Russia a favorable capitulation the absolute first second he can. And probably offer Russia Zelensky if he can manage it.
The Republicans are increasingly turning anti-NATO as well.
Oldschool Republicans lawmakers 100% support Ukraine, maybe even stronger than Democrats do. Some are still hanging around the Senate, but most are gone or retiring soon (like Mitch Mcconnell), and they’re already gone from the U.S. House and Trump’s cabinet.
edit: Now that I think about it, Mike Johnson (The US House speaker) did make a suprise decision in support of Ukraine and in defiance of his own party, but his position as speaker is extremely precarious. I don’t think that will happen again.
Not kidding, just a foreigner. I assumed it was bipartisan given America’s hatred for Russia over the past few decades. Didn’t realize Trump was so bully for em. I knew about the whole “he’s a Russian not” conspiracy but given that seemed to be false I assumed it was more accepted by both sides that Ukraine should have aid.
Aplogies for being rude.
Yeah, Trump’s fascination with strongmen is more of a personality quirk than policy, but the attitude of the Republic party has abruptly shifted from “anti Russia/China” to more universally protectionist and isolationist. If you watch Tucker Carlson (for instance), you’ll hear a lot of questioning like “why should we have to pay for all this madness overseas?” and accusations its feeding the US military industrial complex… and there’s a nugget of truth there. The oldschool Republicans have been steadily losing power, and this is kinda the tipping point.
If Trump wins, expect to see a lot of noise about withdrawing from NATO, pulling out of large trade agreements, “abruptly” settling disputes, tarrifs. Things like that, basically the exact opposite of the old neoliberal paradigm.
He also holds vicious grudges, something he did before he even got into politics, so that may color some foreign policy as well. If he’s acting strange towards some person in particular on the news, search for “Trump (X) controversy,” and something from before 2020 will probably come up.
Shit, Ukraine should get both nukes and NATO membership.
Thanks Obama
Man I thought this was a solid “thanks Obama” use given his weak defense of Crimea brought us directly to this point. Damn.
For real, it was imo the most categorically awful geopolitical play he (and Merkel, to boot) made while in office. Like, Neville Chamberlain-grade awful.
