I’ve heard people talking about e.g. not subscribing to lemmy.world communities (because they are the largest instance), and others like Lemmygrad seems to be defederated by quite many instances. But what about lemmy.ml? Should that instance and those communities also be avoided? The “issue” is that many large communities seem to be based on that instance. Like [email protected] and [email protected]

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    I avoid it because I don’t like authoritarians and genocide denial. But you do you.

    I personally refuse to participate in an instance that will ban me from FOSS communities because I mentioned Tiannmen square on their news community.

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    The mods of .ml are pro China/Russia authoritarianists, and will ban you for posting comments that disagree with them. I’ve received a ban for discussing my experiences teaching Taiwanese and Chinese students, because I described the way the Chinese students reacted in the face of evidence that Taiwan is a self-governing sovereign state as “brainwashed.”

    I was banned under rule 1, which is listed as being polite and civil. Trust me when I say I have said far more less polite and civil things directly to mods, so it’s concerning that politely expressing real lived experiences that contradicts their opinions on Chinese authoritarianism is what counts as being rude and uncivil around those parts.

    I haven’t blocked them. Many of those communities include the founders/creators of Lemmy, so to block the community feels disjointed from the app, to me. But I think twice about wasting my time on individual conversations in or from people in .ml.

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    Other reasons to avoid, besides those already mentioned here, include that you will not be allowed to say things offhand about countries such as Russia or China or North Korea with your same account even in communities located on other instances. You either comply FULLY, even when elsewhere, or else you are banned from the entire instance. You can read more about such practices in communities like [email protected].

    Also a lot of other “not extremists” have blocked that instance altogether, so besides having access to your community able to be yanked out from under you at any time (far more than usual I mean), you also will miss out on interactions with those other people. You will be willfully choosing to remain inside of that echo chamber, which is such to a significantly higher degree than the vast majority of Lemmy overall, and legitimately much higher than even Reddit (no joke, again, read for yourself the stories in that and other communities). Whereas if you choose a community not on Lemmy.ml, then you can still interact with people from that instance, just elsewhere.

    Also, you could be told that the mod hopes to kill you someday. Sadly, I’m not joking there either (some selected quotes: "nono I don’t want to shoot for pointing that it’s a game, I want to shoot you because…”, and then later tripling down still further, e.g. stating “I hope you die soon.”).

    See e.g. https://lemmy.world/post/22359447.

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    Ehh I’d suggest feeling it out for yourself to be honest. I’ve had some great interactions on .ml communities, as well as .world communities. But also some hair-pulling insanity. That’s where some of the most active conversations happen, but that also means you’re more likely to encounter some trolls and some awful petulant fools. When you do, just unsubscribe from the community or block the user and you’re all set.

    Self-curation is one of my favorite things about Lemmy, and it’s why I like .ee as an instance, because it’s quite neutral and they let individual users choose what communities we want to see and don’t force decisions down our throats. The beauty of this place is that you can always switch instances or block communities and users you dislike, you just have to spend some time curating your experience.

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      You are correct, I think there are quite a few moderate instances out there.

      The inner struggle to self curate comes down to summoning the effort between being on passive autopilot and the desire to not fall into an echo chamber by actively listening and participating.

      Personally, I’m less scared about getting my feelings hurt and more the need to not be such a lazy fuck;)

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    Personally, I don’t think so. Like you point out if the Marxist Leninist instance has content you enjoy then why would you avoid it? - perhaps just don’t get into overtly political discussions / arguments.

    You don’t have to be trans to visit or use a trans instance, non-anarchists can be on the anarchist instances, but do remember where you are and, most importantly, that you’re a guest/visitor and try to act accordingly. The same advice goes for .world

    I’ve had no problems wherever I’ve gone - so far.

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    I would recommend completely ignoring what Instance people/communities are hosted on

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      I generally do, but every once in a while I’ll encounter some very interesting circlejerks and realize that I ended up in the lemmy.ml version of AskLemmy, lol

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        To be fair, the .ml version is the largest so you’ll inevitably see a mix of both thoughtful comments, and horribly stupid comments.

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    Depends on how you feel about communists

    As far as far left instances go, ml is actually pretty unspicy, despite the bee in their bonnet people got.

    So like, if you can’t stand hanging out with em pinko commies, avoid it. If you’re fine with that, don’t.

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      The genuine commies are totally fine. It’s the authoritarian apologists that need to fuck right off.

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        Turns out the mods are in that camp, which kinda clips decent disagreements with an anti Putin rule 1 ban for bigotry lol

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        my gauge is simple: do my actual communist friends who know what the USSR was like from firsthand experience agree with them? if yes, that’s a good commie. if not, they’re probably from .ml

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          I’ve no doubt there are some genuine commies on .ml. The problem is that it’s the other people who are running the instance and moderating the communities.

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    if you can’t handle political content then just excluding worldnews from your feed should be enough

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      Spend a week in memes and you’ll see how categorically untrue that is.

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          I mean that’s how I surf sometimes. But how do you find new content? I’ve found a lot of great stuff scrolling everything.

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            That is a valid question. Initially, I used the community search to find all the communities I might care about, and subscribed to all of them. Occasionally, I also tried the all feed, but didn’t find anything worth my time, so I stopped doing that. Nowadays, my list of communities is pretty stable.

            Occasionally I check what’s going on in [email protected]

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    In circumstances where similar communities exist on multiple instances, I would subscribe to all of them at first—but pay attention to differences in moderation and community norms, and unsubscribe from communities you’re less comfortable with. I wouldn’t judge a community on the basis of its instance without trying it first, unless the instance admins have unusual rules they’re imposing on all their communities.

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        They ban any “disrespect” of CCP. I still dont block since I don’t really believe in that but I prefer to comment on less censored communities to seed them as viable alternatives

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    .ml is fine for anything other than politics, as they will ban over the slightest hint of criticism of China and other communist authoritarian countries. Especially calling anyone a tankie.

    But the trchnical and other non-political communities are pretty similar to any other instances communities.