This is ridiclous
I can’t wait for Apple to reveal a desk, with a keyboard built-in underneath the back side of it.
It would be an electric standig desk as well, battery powered obviously, and you would need to flip the table top 90 degrees up sideways to recharge the battery every other month.
People would sleep outside to get their hands on it ASAP.
That desk would have a hidden monitor as well, like a fucked up pimp my ride car.
24" but 24K pixels.
Glorious 160x150 resolution
So many people referring to using the button to turn the computer off, but more than 95% of the time, you use the OS to turn a computer off. It’s only when there’s a malfunction you would need to turn it off with a hardware button.
This button is primarily for turning the computer on.
A short press of the power button shuts down almost any computer in existence, why would you use the OS?
It’s still the OS doing it, it’s just reacting to the power button press like any other input device.
You are unbelievably pedantic.
I was going to downvote you when I realized
Yeah, that isn’t a important distinction in a discussion about power button locations
He really is pedantic
Not if you hold the power button. Yeah if you single press a power button, the os can divert that, but long press, the SMC will cut power. Similarly how, pressing and holding the power and the volume down button on a phone, cuts power, even if the OS is hard frozen. Sometimes you just need an emergency exit.
True but that’s extremely rare for people to do.
True but if you can’t do it, you are pretty screwed.
Someone who isn’t a pedant would interpret “using the OS” as going through the start menu, or equivalent.
You raise a good point
Honestly for me it’s muscle memory from the Windows 95 days of “it is now safe to turn off your computer” but I also don’t trust the OS to correctly interpret the ACPI signal sent by the power button 100% of the time. Obviously I’m not an average user, but I could see where an average user might consistently single press the power button to turn off a computer
I assume there will be a power button on the keyboard or mouse. This is just sort of a backup.
You assume everyone uses Apple keyboards
I don’t, but apple does. This is why the touch ID is in the keyboard. To be fair it does come as a unit if you buy the mac new.
Well like a lover you must reach behind and underneath to turn them on!
…I seriously do not like Apples design language that basically requires me to fondle unseeable parts of the computer to find the power button. Too much risk of spiders back there!
Too much risk of spiders back there!
Found the Australian.
I turn off my computer everyday maybe I’m one of those crazy ones. I think they did that so people would be discouraged to turn it off. They want the users to use their new AI feature. My other thinking is marketing if people talk about your product that’s probably a good thing.
Can’t listen in if the computer is turned off!
Sure but you still need to turn it on though?
This button is primarily for turning the computer on.
Sure but you still need to turn it on though?
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I’m trying to say that it’s still a useful button to have in an accessible spot because, exactly as you said, it is still used to turn it on.
Not even 0.5% of the time you’re interacting with the computer would you even think about the power button. Maybe in the first week because “lawl it’s on the bottom, Apple so stoopid.” Then you’d just get used to poking under the bottom of the computer and it turns on.
IMO this is infinitely better than on the back like the old Mac mini. My mini is behind my headphone amp, and under a monitor so any time I need to hit the power button it’s a LONG awkward reach.
Unless your computer has issues, can’t you just power off from within macOS?
And then how do you turn it back on?
How often do you need to actually turn it on? Won’t it sleep? Pretty much should only need to turn it on after moving the thing. You can restart from with in the OS if you need to.
I don’t know if there is a version of Poe’s law for Apple fanboys, but your comment makes me think there should be.
I don’t know if there is a version of Poe’s law for Apple fanboys, but your comment makes me think there should be.
Roflmao
I don’t own a Mac Mini, and never will. I’m not trying to defend Apple.
But I’ll use my work laptop as an example. I have external monitors, so I never open the damn thing except on the rare occasions I need to use the power button. This happens infrequently enough that it gives me a pretty good notion of how often people need the actual power button on a modern computer.
If the button can be reached without turning over the device or even picking it up, as it sure appears, what’s the problem? Other than that it’s an Apple device and people love to hate on Apple devices.
My home laptop has an uptime of almost 30 days at this point, who needs a power button?
it’s a shitty design? From a company worth over 3 trillion, that gives them extra shitty points.
Yeah i dunno. Magic mouse? Poor ass design. This? You might have to tilt it up a centimeter or two to hit the power button.
I have a M1 Mac Mini… power button in the rear. I dont turn it off. It shares a screen with an internal KVM with a Windows PC…that also never gets turned off.
My work laptop is more of a PITA since that does get shut down and I need to pull it out of the stand i have it resting in to open the lid most the way to turn it back on if I swap the USB C cable from the Mini. Not the case when docked at work since the dock has a power button on it.
I turn my desktop off every single day, so I need the power button daily, I turn my work laptop off weekly.
There’s no reason to turn off a Mac Mini. It uses about a watt of power in sleep. The idle draw from the power supply in your desktop probably uses more power than the Mac Mini in sleep.
those should be reversed
I should have clarified that I was referring to “Restart” rather than “Shut Down” because I’m not aware of how frequently people actually “Shut Down” their devices. My intention was to ask: How often would you need to physically press the power button when the functionality of turning the device on and off is accessible through software?
On another note, I think the amount of attention posts like this get is a pretty clear indication of how deep Apple hate truly runs. I’m fine with Apple, more of a Linux person myself, but stuff like this makes me shrug my shoulders. Only Apple could garner this much attention for putting the power button in a weird spot on a tiny desktop that nobody complaining about it would buy even if it was on top of the device.
Yeah, I do agree it’s a fair bit of Apple-bashing. I’ve also learned by reading through other replies in this thread that apparently Apple’s standby mode is very reliable and consumes <1W. It’s apparently also very easy to wake back up.
I can say none of that about my Windows and Linux machines 😅 so that may be where my confusion came from
This is peak nerd rage over something nobody is going to actually care about.
Seeth and bitch over minor design choices while apple prints money.
Imagine a scenario where a bunch of these are used as a server and to power cycle all of them need to turned off.
You’ve certainly got to have an imagination. Thinking apple is designing a Mac mini for that niche use case and all 12 customers there.
There are few companies in the world who garnish this much attention on nitpicky and inconsequential nerd shit while completely ignoring them designing some absurdly efficient ARM processors on the planet and printing money.
I’m not going to get a mac anytime soon, but at least it would stop my cat from powering down everything spontaneously
At least it does mean your cat can never turn off your pc ever again with this
Just run it upside down.
This could be a nice little computer if it had good linux support
Asahi linux. AFAIK Linus Tovalds still uses Macs - he has done so at least since the Intel era. I am co nsidering buying one as first a sort of low power gaming console (on MacOs) and eventually as an efficient yet powerfull home server…
Support for M1 and M2 is pretty good now but M3 is not quite there yet and it’ll probably be years before everything works nicely on M4, sadly
Oh an Apple thread. More people angry at something they were never going to buy anyway.
I thought it was satire at first, because the magic mouse has a charging port on the bottom making it unusable when charging
Turns out its not 🤡
Yeah, I used one of those and it made no sense. My Logitech MX Master has it on the front and works perfectly with my work Mac. Sometimes obvious design choices should be followed…
More like laughing at what they were not going to buy anyway.
I’m still laughing at the mouse you can’t use while it’s charging
True innovation tho. There was no other mouse you couldn’t use while charging.
Excuse me. Some of us do buy Apple products. And there’s nothing that comes close to the bargain price of the base model, so we laugh at it while buying it too.
I can get an I9 32gb 1Tb mini pc for under 500€
The mac comes with 256 GB though, and 256 > 1
I guess I’ll be the exception as someone who does have a macmini because it is the best priced mini pc that can’t be beat, and will likely get the base model for this too for the same reason.
But I still would prefer a power button in the front.
if it didn’t make us angry, and INFLUENCE OTHER BUSINESSES TO DO THE SAME REPUGNANT SHIT, we’d be buying it.
Gotta get the Apple haters to be their #1 advertisers for free.
Keep it up people. Apple did almost nothing to advertise this computer. You’re the advertisement.
smh Apple playing 5th dimensional chess again making stupid design decisions to get the all important lemmy advertising for free.
Tim apple is truly a genius
Looking forward to see the 3D prints made to fix this “feature”.
They wanted to put it inside the unit originally
This is fake right
As long as your default mode is sleep it’d be ok. I touch my PCs power button only when it crashes so horribly that a forced shutdown is the only way out…
To be fair, aren’t those mini PCs meant for HTPCs/home servers? You’re not really supposed to turn them off, and if you really want easy power button access you can just set it upside down. I’d say it’s a good idea if you take into account that it’s aimed at Apple customers who care more about “design” over usability. They truly “think different” over there.
“different” is just another word for “weird”
ThInK DiFfErEnT
Honestly as infrequently as I turn my machines off this really doesn’t bother me. The mouse on the other hand….
Yeah, fuck that mouse, there’s no excuse for that one.
It’s a bit of a bummer given the power of the machine it would be otherwise good in IT environments. The small size would allow a rack or stack of them. This one
featuredesign choice makes that not possible. It’s on purpose.
