Wether you believe it or not, it’s true. People have defended OpenAI and other LLMs vigorously over the past few years. It’s only been recently that they’re all being seen for what they are.
On lemmy, on Reddit…. And no citation is needed. This isn’t a court of law. I don’t owe you proof of my claim, nor care if you believe me. I said what I said because it’s fucking frustrating to have been shot down time-and-again for saying shit that people soon end up agreeing with.
It’s the same as the bullshit with Elon Musk. Everyone was up his ass thinking he’s the next Tony Stark. No one wanted to hear anything negative about him.
Is it so hard for you to believe that there once were people that once were able to see the negative side to LLMs?
Just because you haven’t seen a thing, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You really shouldn’t have gotten on this far without having had this explained to you by now- but here we are.
Are you ten years old? What is this petty squabbling?
If you don’t believe him you can either A. prove him wrong, or B. express your doubt. You don’t get to whine and cry until he does the research you want. That’s not how any of this works.
Okay man. Look. I’m not here to entertain your 3rd degree over something that doesn’t require it. If I’m lying, it’s a dumb thing to lie about. If I’m telling the truth, you believing me isn’t something that holds any value to me, so….
You’re going to have to find someone to pay you your attention elsewhere. I’m not that guy.
Dude… I’m not digging through years worth of comments across several social media platforms and accounts on each just to satisfy your purposelessly sad need for attention.
So if as a result of this. you are left with no other choice than to accuse me of lying because I’m not playing along with your little internet rule of “you have to prove what you say or I get to call you a liar!” bullshit, then be my guest. But I’m an adult. I don’t play by nonsense childish internet rules and I don’t appease trolls.
Now, having explained my stance on the issue, I can expect you’ll exercise your compulsion to have the last word and call me a liar again?
I think it’s another example of “internet bubbles” - people with similar views tend to congregate together and this is particularly true on the internet, when going elsewhere is always just a mouse-click away.
When ChatGPT first launched, Lemmy was still pretty much a ghost town, and it did cause a lot of optimistic excitement e.g. on reddit. Lemmy got a big surge in numbers when reddit did its infamous API changes - enshittification driven by spez’s and other reddit executives’ insatiable lust to exploit the site for more and more money.
Perhaps for this reason, people on Lemmy are more averse to the enshittification trend and generally exploitive nature of large tech companies. I think this is what people on Lemmy object to - tech companies’ concentration of power and profits by ripping off the general public - not so much the concept of LLMs themselves, but the fact they could easily be used to further inequality in society.
The claim was that people on lemmy treated openai as saints when chatgpt first came out, I never saw anything like that and I’ve been here for 5 years. https://lemmy.ml/u/communist
i’ve never seen this on lemmy, other places, sure, but not once on lemmy.
Yes you’re right, sorry I went off on a tangent about the reasons for the intense negativity in the Lemmyverse about LLMs. I’ve been using lemmy for four years, and definitely don’t think there has ever been any positive feelings towards LLMs here, especially as ChatGPT’s arrival predates the first surge of users on Lemmy (and the subsequent appearance of all the instances we see today). On reddit, yes, and there are still many people there who still think OpenAI is great.
I only see negative posts about openai, I kinda find this unbelievable, do you have any examples?
Wether you believe it or not, it’s true. People have defended OpenAI and other LLMs vigorously over the past few years. It’s only been recently that they’re all being seen for what they are.
On lemmy?
[citation needed]
https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/search?q=openai&type=Posts&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopAll I just tried this, went back 2 pages, not even one positive post, dunno what you’re talking about.
On lemmy, on Reddit…. And no citation is needed. This isn’t a court of law. I don’t owe you proof of my claim, nor care if you believe me. I said what I said because it’s fucking frustrating to have been shot down time-and-again for saying shit that people soon end up agreeing with.
It’s the same as the bullshit with Elon Musk. Everyone was up his ass thinking he’s the next Tony Stark. No one wanted to hear anything negative about him.
Is it so hard for you to believe that there once were people that once were able to see the negative side to LLMs?
??? I only see people talking about the negative of both of these on lemmy. Maybe reddit, sure, I have no idea there, but on lemmy??
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I have never seen a positive post about openai get upvotes on lemmy, not even when they started.
I have never seen a positive post about elon musk on lemmy that got upvoted…
Just because you haven’t seen a thing, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You really shouldn’t have gotten on this far without having had this explained to you by now- but here we are.
I’m not going to argue with you about it.
Yeah but it certainly doesn’t mean it does exist just because you said so.
Something stinks.
Are you ten years old? What is this petty squabbling?
If you don’t believe him you can either A. prove him wrong, or B. express your doubt. You don’t get to whine and cry until he does the research you want. That’s not how any of this works.
I did prove him wrong, I searched his entire post history and found nothing.
I even volunteered to do it for him in multiple posts.
see: https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/51512808/16473279
https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/51512808/16473329
The post going through his post history was removed by mods. Check the modlog, he’s lying.
So, I dunno what you’re on about.
Okay man. Look. I’m not here to entertain your 3rd degree over something that doesn’t require it. If I’m lying, it’s a dumb thing to lie about. If I’m telling the truth, you believing me isn’t something that holds any value to me, so….
You’re going to have to find someone to pay you your attention elsewhere. I’m not that guy.
That’s exactly what a liar would say, just saying.
edit: I searched your post history… you’ve never had a comment mentioning AI go into the negatives.
the closest was this:
in which you were being an asshole…
there’s also this
which was nonsense…
You are actually lying about this… and it’s a very weird thing to do. Really dumb thing to lie about.
FWIW, you do not seem interested in an honest discussion, merely arguing in bad faith or trolling.
I don’t think you’ve paid enough attention. Back when ChatGPT first launched, they were treated as saints.
The negative opinions have corresponded with public sentiment souring towards them in general (this did happen quite quickly, however).
They just wants the attention of an argument. I made the mistake of giving it to them.
One example and I shutup
Or you could just shut up.
When you admit you’re lying, sure!
Dude… I’m not digging through years worth of comments across several social media platforms and accounts on each just to satisfy your purposelessly sad need for attention.
So if as a result of this. you are left with no other choice than to accuse me of lying because I’m not playing along with your little internet rule of “you have to prove what you say or I get to call you a liar!” bullshit, then be my guest. But I’m an adult. I don’t play by nonsense childish internet rules and I don’t appease trolls.
Now, having explained my stance on the issue, I can expect you’ll exercise your compulsion to have the last word and call me a liar again?
Don’t care either way.
It took me like a whole minute to do it to you and prove you are lying. Faster than typing up your responses.
You are a liar.
search “ai” posts by you in the search box
sort by upvotes, go to where it’s negative, link one example
easy
it is so incredibly fast, yet you cannot do it
i’ll tell you what, if you link an account where it did happen, I’ll do it for you!
Find a better hobby man. Seriously.
Can you provide even one example? AI is my autistic obsession, and I never saw anything like that on lemmy even once.
I was even regularly searching for “AI” using the search feature daily.
I have never once seen this, and I don’t find it believable at all, honestly.
I think it’s another example of “internet bubbles” - people with similar views tend to congregate together and this is particularly true on the internet, when going elsewhere is always just a mouse-click away.
When ChatGPT first launched, Lemmy was still pretty much a ghost town, and it did cause a lot of optimistic excitement e.g. on reddit. Lemmy got a big surge in numbers when reddit did its infamous API changes - enshittification driven by spez’s and other reddit executives’ insatiable lust to exploit the site for more and more money.
Perhaps for this reason, people on Lemmy are more averse to the enshittification trend and generally exploitive nature of large tech companies. I think this is what people on Lemmy object to - tech companies’ concentration of power and profits by ripping off the general public - not so much the concept of LLMs themselves, but the fact they could easily be used to further inequality in society.
The claim was that people on lemmy treated openai as saints when chatgpt first came out, I never saw anything like that and I’ve been here for 5 years. https://lemmy.ml/u/communist
i’ve never seen this on lemmy, other places, sure, but not once on lemmy.
Yes you’re right, sorry I went off on a tangent about the reasons for the intense negativity in the Lemmyverse about LLMs. I’ve been using lemmy for four years, and definitely don’t think there has ever been any positive feelings towards LLMs here, especially as ChatGPT’s arrival predates the first surge of users on Lemmy (and the subsequent appearance of all the instances we see today). On reddit, yes, and there are still many people there who still think OpenAI is great.