Summary

Chinese President Xi Jinping reiterated in his New Year’s speech that Taiwan’s “reunification” with China is inevitable.

China has escalated military activity around Taiwan, including frequent incursions near the island and sanctions on U.S.-linked companies over arms sales to Taipei.

Taiwanese President Lai Ching-te rejected Beijing’s claims, stating Taiwan’s future can only be decided by its people.

Lai also criticized China’s restrictions on travel and education exchanges with Taiwan, calling for dignified, reciprocal relations based on goodwill and equality.

    • Eldritch@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Very. But I still expect to see plenty of hypocritical leninists ignoring or defending this. Telling us that Daddy Xi is only killing them for their own good. And that if they just lay back and took it that they would learn to enjoy it.

      Not that it’s ever made sense that they defend certain capitalists. While denouncing capitalism and other capitalist governments.

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      3 months ago

      The difference being several, one hong Kong is inside of China with its territorial boundaries being only legal and social. Two hong kong actually believed the laws and structure they put in place would hold while Taiwan is under no such illusion

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      3 months ago

      Get the sentiment, but just a friendly reminder that most Taiwanese people don’t love the “West Taiwan” meme as it props up the outdated idea that Taiwan wants to make a claim to China, when the vast majority are in favor of just being left alone. This isn’t two aggressors laying claim to each other, it’s one threatening the other.

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        3 months ago

        Tankies gonna downvote too. They think they are anonymous in the votes haha

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        Yeah, some of 'em. Most of them are just regular Chinese people repeating what they’ve been told, though. I’ve talked with all kinds of Chinese people like that, and truly, when I’m not being a dick about it, it is amazing how quickly I can change their minds. “Quickly” here means “in a month”. Not during the first conversation. Be gentle.

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    Reunification? Taiwan was never a part of communist China.

    Just because Taiwan was part of an empire that has common roots with communist China is no reason at all.

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      3 months ago

      Let’s not use their propaganda and call them communist. Communist leadership wouldn’t have fascist allies around the world

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    3 months ago

    It’s gross how they always refer to these things as “reunifying”.

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      Why isn’t that an appropriate term? It was part of China’s (Qing) territory from 1684 until the Japanese occupations, and is only disunified because of an unresolved civil war. Taiwan (officially the “Republic of China”) considers themself to be China. So why wouldn’t their combination be the reunification of China?

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        3 months ago

        Taiwan was never part of current China though and does not want to be absorbed into that state. Reunification doesn’t sound right for what China would have to do to make it happen.

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          Taiwan was never part of current China though

          The same was true for East and West Germany and that, err, merger is generally considered to be a reunification.

          But I agree with the rest you wrote, so I guess it’s a moot point anway.

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              3 months ago

              I mean, true, but that doesn’t contradict what I wrote, does it? I objected to that particular part of kshades argument, not their argument as a whole.

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                It’s a fair argument, I wouldn’t call South or North Korea forcefully annexing the other reunification either though. One state would be annihilated, both in terms of its institutions and its culture. There’s no unity in that, it’s conquest.

                But maybe my view of the word is colored by German history. I don’t know, it’s just that calling what would be a horrible, grueling war “reunification” doesn’t seem right, like an attempt at white-washing what would actually happen. Reminds me a bit too much of Putin’s claims about Ukraine.

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          Reunification doesn’t sound right

          It’s an objective term for when states join into a single state, like the unification of Italy for example. It’s not about approval or disapproval, I’m not taking a side by calling it reunification.

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            The re- prefix does have implications that go beyond any two states becoming one. Germany’s case is a bit different anyway because it was external forces splitting the country.

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          You can use both terms, there’s no contradiction.

          Consider the US civil war. The Confederates were (rightfully) invaded and plenty of them still aren’t happy about it, the result was still the unification of the ‘northern’ and the ‘southern’ states.

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        If you want something that doesn’t want you- what do YOU call it?

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          What’s that got to do with anything? It’s still called a reunification even if both sides didn’t want it. There was a whole entity, it split, and if it joins back together then that’s called reunifying it.

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            So its no longer an authoritarian government for 38 years now. Thanks for pointing that out!

            In the mean time Xi is serving his 3rd term in PRC right now, or 4th? Ignoring the rules set up by his predecessors. And you think that’s better?

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          Not an authoritarian, not even taking a side. I’m pointing out that unification is the term for resolving partitions to form a single state.

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        3 months ago

        Got it, let’s help continental China adopt modern and true democracy then!

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          Work on your own imperialist fucking country first. Jesus fucking Christ you libs are insufferable.

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      3 months ago

      You mean… “Reunified.” Think of it like Russia’s “special military operation” only with less genocide.

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    Imagine being the type of loser that would downvote comments in support of a country refusing to be overthrown.

    You’d think we’d have learned by now, but here we are.

    Here’s for hoping these kids manage to become aware of their ignorance by the time they hit high school.

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      I mean…It ain’t? Taiwan, the Kuomintang, were literally the imperialists. Taiwan was always China but China changed and…yeah modern china should probably leave Taiwan alone because it’s literally the old chinese government but 100 years later, but they won’t, their government actually thinks in millenia

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        At some point Poland held Moscow for a year. We need to get it back I guess. We like to think in milenia as well.

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    I wouldn’t want to be getting into a shooting war after seeing what Russia has got itself into. Fuck, Russia lost its fleet to a country without a navy.

    Does Xi think he can keep a land army supplied in the era of drones taking out surface combatants?

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      It is not the same though.

      Firstly, Russians are inefficient and inept as fuck, Chinese are not.

      Secondly, Ukraine had a strong support of both EU and the US. Now Trump is going to be in power and this cunt will happily let China take over Taiwan.

      Thirdly, Ukraine is 600k km2. Taiwan is 36k.

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        Now Trump is going to be in power and this cunt will happily let China take over Taiwan.

        Will he? Trump is soft on Russia but wasn’t he pretty hard on China?

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    I worry for the future generations of Taiwan and Ukraine. Trump’s going to just shrug and let them die.