The leaders of the Democratic National Committee announced they plan to learn absolutely nothing from their embarrassing loss to President-elect Donald Trump.
They’ll learn the left never shows up, even when their human fucking rights are at stake. Next election the Dems will go hard center, to get the voters that actually show up.
She was on a rocketship trajectory before getting Cheney on and focusing on old ex-R endorsements. There aren’t enough voters in the center and you can’t switch any magats is the takeaway.
There are literally shit tons of voters in the center, that is the big fat center that decides elections. Plus those voters are worth double, because it’s a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party.
This is true, and those voters main concern in presidential elections is the economy. According to NBC’s exit polling:
Nearly half — 45% — of all voters said they were worse off financially than they were four years ago. That was a higher level of dissatisfaction than what registered in exit polls in any recent election going back to 2008, when the election took place amid the financial crisis that propelled Barack Obama to victory.
Though the economy is growing […] 2 in 3 voters rated the U.S. economy poorly, a level higher than in 2020, when the country struggled to get in gear during the Covid pandemic.
[…] About three-quarters of voters nationwide said they felt negatively about the way things are going in the country, including 29% who said they were downright angry.
Meanwhile only 4% of voters cited foreign policy (which covers the Gaza genocide and Ukraine’s defense – immigration was broken out into a separate category) as their main concern. Even if Harris flipped the big red “stop the genocide” button and brought those single issue voters out of hiding, there’s no way they could outnumber the voters who were pissed about the economy.
Frankly, if she was going to have a real chance, she needed to throw Biden under the bus – and it still might not have made a difference.
Dems lose when they try to appease this magical center because it takes the wind out of the sails of of their voting base. I mean getting buddy buddy with Liz Cheney killed my enthusiasm entirely and I only showed up to vote against Republicans instead of wanting to vote.
Dems win when they promote hope and energize voters to increase voting turnout. She squandered that momentum.
The Dems only win when they go center. Go through history: After successive losses Clinton went center on the economy, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Gore when left with climate change and lost. Obama relied on “hope” and won after Bush’s disastrous wars. Hillary said she’d have a map room to fight climate change and lost. Biden went center, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Kamala tried the same “hope” as Obama, but “it’s the economy, stupid”. Every time they lost it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up, and they only win when they go center.
What are you smoking? I literally just said: Kamala tried to copy Obama’s “hope” and energy, but [it didn’t work because] “it’s the economy, stupid”. She didn’t run to the left on policy (because she saw that didn’t help Biden after he passed all those left things) but she still relied on the left to show up for their human fucking rights and mfing democracy. They couldn’t even do that.
Oh I remember you, you’re the guy that never makes any sense.
Every time they lost it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up
The left DOES show up…but here’s the thing…there’s not enough of them to make a difference. I know it FEELS like leftism and even progressivism is super duper popular because its omnipresent on the internet but in the real world there just aren’t enough of them to matter for national elections outside of a few specific places.
It’s like relying on an 8 year old to help you move furniture. You quickly realize that they just aren’t strong enough to do much.
Oh? Who does the canvasing? Who gets their friends to vote? You ignore the cascade effect of lefties on their moderate social circle. Who absolutely eviscerates the dems when then start supporting genocide and procorporate nonsense over working Americans.
That’s… interesting… I don’t know about Bill Clinton, not too familiar with that part of American history, but Gore? Gore won but didn’t demand a recount of Florida. Obama relied on leftist policies and wiped the floor with the GOP. Hillary lost because she was a “hold your nose and vote for her” centrist, not because she relied on leftists what the fuck are you even talking about? Harris did the same thing as Hillary and predictably lost.
Obama stayed vague and relied on hope and energy. It was enough after Bush’s disastrous wars.
More on Obama: So he enacted the ACA. That’s great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. He enacted left policy and: The left never showed up.
Hillary Clinton: So what did Hillary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. So she only stuck her head out with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. She basically declared war on climate change. You know that big existential issue that all the leftists care about, right? The big important issue that the left says they want so badly, right? And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters! Aka: The left never shows up.
Harris quite literally tried to copy Obama’s hope and energy strategy. She literally hired Obama’s campaign strategists. But it didn’t work because “it’s the economy stupid”.
Economy is always first. You’re right that’s what you need to focus on to get the center. But you also need to be left enough to energize the left to get over the Rs own center and right voters.
Go look at the numbers, particularly Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. Biden won those states, but by a razor thin margin. If he had lost those states, he wouldn’t have won the electoral college. It would have taken less than 50,000 votes in those states flipping to Trump to change the outcome of the 2020 election.
Of course, that’s just the electoral college. Biden won the popular vote by a pretty comfortable margin.
Kamala didn’t appeal to them. Clinton was right: “It’s the economy stupid”. That’s what got Trump in. Trump won on inflation, housing, and (further right) xenophobia.
She was on a rocketship trajectory before getting Cheney
That’s what we thought but apparently not. All this time a large chunk of Americans were getting brainwashed by social media algorithms that she’s going to start WW3, or going to let all the illegal immigrants in, or she is going to make gas even more expensive, or round up Christians or some other bullshit.
The DNC didn’t have a chance because the voters are fucking morons.
and you’re never going to be able to stop that, so you need to give the left who stayed home (as fucking stupid as that was) someone to be excited about
The DNC saw who their rival is and decided to move in that direction instead of catering to the millions that are not voting because of their lacklustre policies. Good job the DNC as well, then.
What about the ones who are voting but doesn’t use their voice to pressure the DNC to adopt more progressive policies, but instead prefer to alienate the left even more by attacking them the whole way up to the election. I’m sure they’re happy with their decision, as well.
I think my sarcasm wasn’t clear to you so let me say it in clearer terms:
The left in USA is a myth. There aren’t millions of leftists waiting for DNC to do the right things and give them perfect unicorn to vote for so they can get off their asses.
That’s because you can only think in black and white terms that you can’t tell that it’s not just ‘leftist’ that would be motivated to vote if the DNC had catered to more progressive policies, but a lot of people on the centre that had also been disillusioned by the political system. We’ve seen many times that progressive stances gets a lot of support from people of all political spectrum, yet the only thing the DNC can think to do is try to appeal to the right side of the spectrum that would still only vote for a Republican? So ridiculous.
In the meantime, you can continue putting your head in the sand and enjoy watching Harris get less support than Hillary because the ‘leftist’ are not worth listening to. I’m sure you think if she had slid even more to the right, she would’ve gotten more support, right?
A new report shows the Harris-Walz campaign and its Democratic allies spent nearly $1.4 billion on aired political ads in their failed bid to defeat President-elect Trump, outspending the 45th president and Republicans by nearly $460 million.
It is Fox so take it with a grain of salt. But it would not be surprising.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or a colossal idiot who learned nothing from the satirical article about the fact that the people you’re deflecting blame off of learning nothing.
If it’s the former, well done I guess? 🤷
If it’s the latter, please wake the fuck up and smell the malignant incompetence.
Edit: just realized that you’re the “Hillary 2016 was further left than Obama 08” weirdo, so it’s DEFINITELY the latter. Please abandon your ridiculous pet hypothesis and get a fucking clue.
Nope, you literally keep arguing that Hillary lost because she went left and Obama won because he didn’t. Accurately restating your nonsense is not a strawman.
As for ad hominem, that’s a nope too. An ad hominem fallacy is when you try to dismiss an argument by insulting the person rather than the context of the argument.
In this case, I’m adding an accurately descriptive insult as an observation after dismissing your argument based on one of many examples of how ridiculous the argument itself is. Which is not an ad hominem.
You, logic, and language don’t seem to be on the best of terms…
As a non-American I wanna ask: Is the American left blaming Harris and the DNC for this or is it all “Americans are so sexist” and “leftists suck” nonsense like I’m seeing here? Idk where to get this information and I wanna know if I get to have some faith in humanity.
It’s all of the above, really. The Left (actual left, rather than the center right to right wing Democrats in charge of the party) is blaming the DNC, Harris, racism, sexism, the billionaire-owned media, and of course the people who voted for fascism. Because all of those things contributed meaningfully to the baffling and tragic result.
Meanwhile, the DNC and their most diehard supporters blame racism, sexism, and most of all the Left.
They obstinately refuse to acknowledge that their “team” fucked up, so they’re blaming the people whose warnings they refused to listen to.
They’ll learn the left never shows up, even when their human fucking rights are at stake.
The right didn’t show up either, but you lot were gung-ho about getting their fucking approval. You showed the left everything you are.
If the left are not important enough to court, they’re not important enough to blame, even though that means your strategy was shit and you moved to the right for nothing but the sheer joy of it.
If the left are not important enough to court, they’re not important enough to blame
This election showed either 1) the left will literally never show up, or 2) the left doesn’t exist. Take your pick, either way the left is done. No one’s going to rely on the left or run a left platform for fucking decades.
They were relying on the left showing up for their own human fucking rights and mfing democracy. If the left can’t show up for that, they will literally never show up. No one will ever put themselves in a position to rely on the left voter ever again. Not for decades.
They’ll learn the left never shows up, even when their human fucking rights are at stake. Next election the Dems will go hard center, to get the voters that actually show up.
did you see this?? they wrote an article about you!
She was on a rocketship trajectory before getting Cheney on and focusing on old ex-R endorsements. There aren’t enough voters in the center and you can’t switch any magats is the takeaway.
Well that and before going super war hawk in her nomination acceptance speech.
There are literally shit tons of voters in the center, that is the big fat center that decides elections. Plus those voters are worth double, because it’s a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party.
This is true, and those voters main concern in presidential elections is the economy. According to NBC’s exit polling:
Meanwhile only 4% of voters cited foreign policy (which covers the Gaza genocide and Ukraine’s defense – immigration was broken out into a separate category) as their main concern. Even if Harris flipped the big red “stop the genocide” button and brought those single issue voters out of hiding, there’s no way they could outnumber the voters who were pissed about the economy.
Frankly, if she was going to have a real chance, she needed to throw Biden under the bus – and it still might not have made a difference.
If she came out and said she would stop companies fucking their customers, that might have done it.
I think instead she entertained firing Lina Khan?
Yup. 🤦
That 4% represented 25 electoral college votes fam.
But yes the economy as well. Go look at Michigan and Wisconsin and keep the arabs in mind. When you play with your numbers.
And all she had to do was say she’d apply american laws to israel. And not let her campaign shit on arabs. Shame really.
As for the economy… Yeah ‘nothing specificly comes to mind’ probably isnt the best choice to run. My khan! 😞😮💨
Dems lose when they try to appease this magical center because it takes the wind out of the sails of of their voting base. I mean getting buddy buddy with Liz Cheney killed my enthusiasm entirely and I only showed up to vote against Republicans instead of wanting to vote.
Dems win when they promote hope and energize voters to increase voting turnout. She squandered that momentum.
The Dems only win when they go center. Go through history: After successive losses Clinton went center on the economy, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Gore when left with climate change and lost. Obama relied on “hope” and won after Bush’s disastrous wars. Hillary said she’d have a map room to fight climate change and lost. Biden went center, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Kamala tried the same “hope” as Obama, but “it’s the economy, stupid”. Every time they lost it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up, and they only win when they go center.
You’re trying to pretend that Harris ran to the left because you still think it’s the fucking 90s.
What are you smoking? I literally just said: Kamala tried to copy Obama’s “hope” and energy, but [it didn’t work because] “it’s the economy, stupid”. She didn’t run to the left on policy (because she saw that didn’t help Biden after he passed all those left things) but she still relied on the left to show up for their human fucking rights and mfing democracy. They couldn’t even do that.
Oh I remember you, you’re the guy that never makes any sense.
The left DOES show up…but here’s the thing…there’s not enough of them to make a difference. I know it FEELS like leftism and even progressivism is super duper popular because its omnipresent on the internet but in the real world there just aren’t enough of them to matter for national elections outside of a few specific places.
It’s like relying on an 8 year old to help you move furniture. You quickly realize that they just aren’t strong enough to do much.
Oh? Who does the canvasing? Who gets their friends to vote? You ignore the cascade effect of lefties on their moderate social circle. Who absolutely eviscerates the dems when then start supporting genocide and procorporate nonsense over working Americans.
Moving to the right just failed spectacularly. Democrats will do it again anyway.
That’s… interesting… I don’t know about Bill Clinton, not too familiar with that part of American history, but Gore? Gore won but didn’t demand a recount of Florida. Obama relied on leftist policies and wiped the floor with the GOP. Hillary lost because she was a “hold your nose and vote for her” centrist, not because she relied on leftists what the fuck are you even talking about? Harris did the same thing as Hillary and predictably lost.
Obama stayed vague and relied on hope and energy. It was enough after Bush’s disastrous wars.
More on Obama: So he enacted the ACA. That’s great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. He enacted left policy and: The left never showed up.
Hillary Clinton: So what did Hillary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. So she only stuck her head out with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. She basically declared war on climate change. You know that big existential issue that all the leftists care about, right? The big important issue that the left says they want so badly, right? And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters! Aka: The left never shows up.
Harris quite literally tried to copy Obama’s hope and energy strategy. She literally hired Obama’s campaign strategists. But it didn’t work because “it’s the economy stupid”.
Okay you clearly aren’t interested in actually learning anything. Have a good day.
Economy is always first. You’re right that’s what you need to focus on to get the center. But you also need to be left enough to energize the left to get over the Rs own center and right voters.
This election showed the left 1) will literally never, ever show up, or 2) does not exist. There won’t be a left platform for fucking decades.
and even the biden win was just stupidly close given trump literally drove your whole country head first into the top “fucked up the pandemic” spot
Can I find anything about the Biden win being close? I wasn’t following that election that closely.
Go look at the numbers, particularly Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. Biden won those states, but by a razor thin margin. If he had lost those states, he wouldn’t have won the electoral college. It would have taken less than 50,000 votes in those states flipping to Trump to change the outcome of the 2020 election.
Of course, that’s just the electoral college. Biden won the popular vote by a pretty comfortable margin.
It took the better part of a week for the results to be conclusive.
Look at how well that worked out.
Kamala didn’t appeal to them. Clinton was right: “It’s the economy stupid”. That’s what got Trump in. Trump won on inflation, housing, and (further right) xenophobia.
That’s what we thought but apparently not. All this time a large chunk of Americans were getting brainwashed by social media algorithms that she’s going to start WW3, or going to let all the illegal immigrants in, or she is going to make gas even more expensive, or round up Christians or some other bullshit.
The DNC didn’t have a chance because the voters are fucking morons.
and you’re never going to be able to stop that, so you need to give the left who stayed home (as fucking stupid as that was) someone to be excited about
I wonder if liberals have finally stopped calling anyone who criticizes Harris and the DNC campaign a MAGA troll.
At least they seem to have moved on from Russian bot.
Probably never will. We’ll be hearing them blaming us as we shuffle in a chain gang to the concentration camps.
You think there are millions of self-proclaimed leftists in USA? Sure buddy.
And these ‘leftists’ saw who might be president and they still chose to abstain?
Good job. 👍
The DNC saw who their rival is and decided to move in that direction instead of catering to the millions that are not voting because of their lacklustre policies. Good job the DNC as well, then.
What about the ones who are voting but doesn’t use their voice to pressure the DNC to adopt more progressive policies, but instead prefer to alienate the left even more by attacking them the whole way up to the election. I’m sure they’re happy with their decision, as well.
I think my sarcasm wasn’t clear to you so let me say it in clearer terms:
The left in USA is a myth. There aren’t millions of leftists waiting for DNC to do the right things and give them perfect unicorn to vote for so they can get off their asses.
Exactly this.
That’s because you can only think in black and white terms that you can’t tell that it’s not just ‘leftist’ that would be motivated to vote if the DNC had catered to more progressive policies, but a lot of people on the centre that had also been disillusioned by the political system. We’ve seen many times that progressive stances gets a lot of support from people of all political spectrum, yet the only thing the DNC can think to do is try to appeal to the right side of the spectrum that would still only vote for a Republican? So ridiculous.
In the meantime, you can continue putting your head in the sand and enjoy watching Harris get less support than Hillary because the ‘leftist’ are not worth listening to. I’m sure you think if she had slid even more to the right, she would’ve gotten more support, right?
Ya, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with all these posts blaming democrats for losing when billionaires are literally buying votes to stop Harris.
According to Fox news Harris had more Billionaires on her side
A new report shows the Harris-Walz campaign and its Democratic allies spent nearly $1.4 billion on aired political ads in their failed bid to defeat President-elect Trump, outspending the 45th president and Republicans by nearly $460 million.
It is Fox so take it with a grain of salt. But it would not be surprising.
1.4 billion to their media company friends. maybe they should have hired some canvassers.
I mean Harris also had billionaire support. She wasn’t exactly a revolutionary. And you put “billionaires” but that was Elon Musk’s incompetent ass.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or a colossal idiot who learned nothing from the satirical article about the fact that the people you’re deflecting blame off of learning nothing.If it’s the former, well done I guess? 🤷If it’s the latter, please wake the fuck up and smell the malignant incompetence.
Edit: just realized that you’re the “Hillary 2016 was further left than Obama 08” weirdo, so it’s DEFINITELY the latter. Please abandon your ridiculous pet hypothesis and get a fucking clue.
Strawman
Ad hom
Nope, you literally keep arguing that Hillary lost because she went left and Obama won because he didn’t. Accurately restating your nonsense is not a strawman.
As for ad hominem, that’s a nope too. An ad hominem fallacy is when you try to dismiss an argument by insulting the person rather than the context of the argument.
In this case, I’m adding an accurately descriptive insult as an observation after dismissing your argument based on one of many examples of how ridiculous the argument itself is. Which is not an ad hominem.
You, logic, and language don’t seem to be on the best of terms…
You rely on bad readings and insults, so fallacies through and through.
Wrong again, but being confidently wrong is your comfort zone, so it’s hardly surprising 🤷
See? Peace.
As a non-American I wanna ask: Is the American left blaming Harris and the DNC for this or is it all “Americans are so sexist” and “leftists suck” nonsense like I’m seeing here? Idk where to get this information and I wanna know if I get to have some faith in humanity.
It’s all of the above, really. The Left (actual left, rather than the center right to right wing Democrats in charge of the party) is blaming the DNC, Harris, racism, sexism, the billionaire-owned media, and of course the people who voted for fascism. Because all of those things contributed meaningfully to the baffling and tragic result.
Meanwhile, the DNC and their most diehard supporters blame racism, sexism, and most of all the Left.
They obstinately refuse to acknowledge that their “team” fucked up, so they’re blaming the people whose warnings they refused to listen to.
That’s a bold statement only a day after a campaign based on going hard-center crashed and burned.
The right didn’t show up either, but you lot were gung-ho about getting their fucking approval. You showed the left everything you are.
If the left are not important enough to court, they’re not important enough to blame, even though that means your strategy was shit and you moved to the right for nothing but the sheer joy of it.
This election showed either 1) the left will literally never show up, or 2) the left doesn’t exist. Take your pick, either way the left is done. No one’s going to rely on the left or run a left platform for fucking decades.
They already weren’t relying on the left in this election so what’s changed exactly?
They were relying on the left showing up for their own human fucking rights and mfing democracy. If the left can’t show up for that, they will literally never show up. No one will ever put themselves in a position to rely on the left voter ever again. Not for decades.
I’ll see you next time when they get again pander to the center and Republicans and fail again. 🫡
We’ll see if we even have a fair election.