Summary
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
Donald Trump achieved a decisive victory over Kamala Harris, capturing key demographics that traditionally supported Democrats. He gained substantial support from white working-class voters, saw a 14-point increase among Latino voters, and performed better than expected with younger voters, especially men.
Economic concerns, particularly inflation, were central to Trump’s appeal, with voters across states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin favoring his promises of lower prices and stricter immigration policies.
Harris struggled to retain support in diverse and working-class areas, as voters blamed Democrats for economic hardships.
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Really surprised the article didn’t mention Gaza or genocide.
I’m not. With the exception of the terminally online left or people with familial or cultural ties to Palestine, it’s at best a back burner issue. It certainly impacted her vote share in certain areas, but that’s not why the whole country turned to the right. She didn’t lose NC, GA, NV, and AZ because of Gaza. She lost because of the economy and immigration. Those of us who spend a large portion of our days/weeks glued to these threads forget that we tend to blow certain things far out of proportion compared to how the average American sees it. We think our pet issues are the pet issues of the electorate, and they’re simply not, no matter how much moralizing and finger wagging we do.
The whole country didn’t turn to the right. Trump got fewer votes than in 2020. The problem is fhe left didn’t turn out. Kamala got 13M fewer votes than Biden. 🤷♂️
Yes, it did. The evidence is widespread. Across multiple sources.
It happened in unexpected demographics and in unexpected regions.
It’s important to note that he’s at 72.6 million votes, and counting. We can’t say he “got” more or fewer votes than in 2020 because they’re still tallying ballots. He’s getting more every hour. (edit: According to AP, he’s gained ~100k votes since I first wrote this comment an hour ago.)
You are citing a shift based on these results. I am saying people didn’t turn out for Harris. 🤷♂️ That will clearly cause a shift in the results.
Let me know when Trump matches his 2020 support, which even if he did is still a loss given population growth.
Turnout went up in Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina, yet Trump flipped or increased the margins in all four. Turnout in PA appears to have dropped only a little, but Trump’s 2024 margin is 60% higher than Biden’s 2020 margin. Even in swing states it appears the red shift was consistent across all areas and significantly higher than any perceived turnout change. Where we see turnout significantly down is in blue states, which are kinda beside the point. Plus there are over 7 million uncounted votes in California alone.
The whole country turned to the right.
For the record, I wasn’t really surprised either.
Scapegoat identified. No way it could have been the dems alienating their base with less progressive politics in a failed attempt to pull republicans over to Harris.
oh yeah. trump winning was way more the dems fault than the republicans /s
Against Trump, it was the dems to lose, which they did in historical fashion. They’re so quick to blame leftists, or hispanics, or muslims, yet refuse to admit that their shitty policies brought this about.
Actually I found in most contests its the winners to win. Fact is trump had a better platform and a better strategy and the dems need to be more like him to win. that way rather than trump light being hyperbole they really need to do it.
In some competitions, the lead of one competitor is obvious, and they lose because they screw up. It should not have been difficult for the party already in power, with a former prosecutor and career politician, to defeat the former gameshow host with 34 felony convictions.
Harris tried to appease the moderate republicans to try and pull from their pool, but alienated her supporters in doing so.
This type of competition does not work that way. People had their chance and they overwelming through action or inaction wanted trump. Heck he won the popular vote. This is what americans want and if democrats want to win they need to follow the policies that the american people choose to have when elections happen. Now folks like me we are clearly not eh majority. Folks that want a capitalist system but massively regulated and collecting more taxes the more individuals and companies have such that they can’t become monopolies or to big to fail. I obviously saw which side was closer to what I wanted and other folks I can only assume went whith the side that was closer to what they wanted.
Of course it can work that way, we just saw it happen on Tuesday. Look at all the votes the dems lost between elections. All those protests, all the people demanding an end to the genocide in Gaza, all those people asking about cheaper rent and healthcare, those people asking about why there’s still kids in cages at the border. Inaction, regardless of the outcome, does not equal support for the victor. But sure, let’s homogenize the two major parties and make elections even more of a farce than they already are.
What we saw is the majority of american voters decided they want the right. If the majority did not it would have turned out different. No one makes left turn by not turning the wheel left or trying to turn it right in the hopes of doing a 270.
Trump voters are stupid and have poor memories.
Except for the ones who are just plain evil.
Inb4 they get deported and denaturalized.
They voted for thst. I will not shed a tear.
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
They apparently liked being stuck in their house while the entire economy tanked, they had to wipe their ass with their own hands, and a dumb ass told them that we’d perhaps look into injecting cleaners to protect themselves from a novel virus that was killing anywhere from 3-10% of the people that initially got it…because that was four years ago.
A worldwide pandemic was not Trump’s fault. If you want to blame him for anything, blame him for listening to Foucci, who was seen as the expert and advising him on what to do. And actually, trump left it up to state governments on whether to follow Foucci’s advice. A lot less businesses closed in places like Florida and Arizona because they didn’t shut everything down.
Latinos voted for trump because they were sick of smug elites telling them they needed to alter their own language (latinx was a huge failure among the latino population), and how their hard work and earnings didnt really add up to what they felt it did, because of their skin color. Top it off with claiming that even though butter in places like CA is $7 and eggs are $6, the economy was actually better than ever before, and they were just too stupid to understand that.
Loving all these mask-off moments. You’re still here, telling Latinos that they actually didnt vote how they did because of reasons they gave, must be because they liked COVID era lockdowns or something.
Hello? Can I have you shittiest take? No…that’s far too shitty.
Its a .ml user, what do you expect?
They are all for anything thats Russian.
That includes Trump.
I know:)
What’s shitty about it?
The words that you wrote. All of it
But you can’t tell me why it’s shitty?
I did! I did tell you why. It’s the words you chose to write.
“you’re a Nazi”
Me: how?
“Your words”
Me: how do my words signal that?
“They do because they do.”
Great argument.
I upvoted you because I think you’re about the one person stating the reasons a lot of people give for voting Trump. However, I do quite strongly disagree with all of them:
A worldwide pandemic was not Trump’s fault.
Trump loves to take credit for the low inflation and low gas prices after the pandemic in 2020. So if he’s taking credit for that, he should be taking credit for the cause too. Of course, that’s spin. The fact is reality is complicated, and none of this things can really be attributed to Trump.
Latinos voted for trump because they were sick of smug elites telling them they needed to alter their own language
Ok so we’re talking about the person who is going to run the federal government that sets tax policy, handles emergencies, etc. and has utterly no power over people’s language. And honestly, whoever these people saying others “needed to alter their language” are, if they exist at all, I’m pretty sure it’s not Kamala Harris. I get that maybe you’re trying to provide a justification that isn’t necessarily yours in particular, but this example is a particularly egregiously silly reason to vote for president.
Top it off with claiming that even though butter in places like CA is $7 and eggs are $6, the economy was actually better than ever before, and they were just too stupid to understand that.
Ok so tell us then, what policy of Biden’s caused inflation? Here’s a chart of Monthly CPI data, as you can see the rise in inflation was basically Jan 2021 (the month before he took office) to June 2022, before it started to come down. So what policy of Biden’s was impacting the economy over that period? Keep in mind you’ll also have to explain how it impacted the whole global economy in a similar way.
For example, if I were arguing the other way, I would say that Trump’s tax cuts for the rich in 2017, which dumped trillions of dollars into the economy, have had ample time by 2021 to alter the balance of production lead to price increases in multiple consumer goods. As the investor class tends to spend money on a global scale and the US has by far the most extremely rich people, it’s unsurprising that it would impact other countries. There, now you try, but with Biden instead.
Or don’t. Because the reality is in the overall aura of your comment. “Smug elites”, one of many labels used very successfully to paint Democrats as undesirable and disgusting. It’s about what team people wanted to be on. Trump painted himself as Team Alpha Male, complete with Hulk Hogan there to cheer him on. And he painted the other side as, to be blunt, a bunch of gross trans women. That messaging is no different from what beer vendors, truck makers, etc. have used successfully for decades. And it worked again here.
It’s simple, really. You and your loved ones will be the first to be tossed on buses when they start collecting people. Enjoy 😊
^ no I’m not remotely happy about this. But I guess people gotta find out that hard way.
No you don’t understand, they’re the good ones who came here legally. Nevermind all the rest.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
laughs in Holocaust numbers
<laughs in Holocaust numbers
lol immigrants have guns and border employees are not ready to die for trumps ideology.
Who says it needs to be government employees?
I’m sure there’s plenty of militias out there who would be happy to do all this rounding up for Trump, once he gives them a wink and a nod. Wouldn’t even need to pay them.
Well citizens and militias would have no legal authority. So yeah. Go to the park, go in nature. Lemmy is really trying hard to out some doom-scape ideals.
Also: THEY ARE NOT READY TO DIE FOR THIS.
How would you know?
Forget about Jan. 6th 2021 already? I don’t recall any legal authority there and yet it still happened.
Also, we’ve had bounty programs in the past for populations of people.
Yeah, perfect example, 1 person shot and the roaches scattered. Also the Capitol police were there so……
Bounty Programs in the past, let’s keep the discussion within the realm of possibility
Imagine having a drone knock on your door.
I’m guessing these guys somehow missed the /c/Ukraine posts of the drones absolutely destroying the exact kind of minivans these people drive? And that’s Ukraine
They’d be fucked against a modern US military actually hunting them, if they ever left their homes
Guns don’t do shit against drones. Enjoy your future hiding from white supremacists doing “human safari” tactics.
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
His buddy called your homeland garbage.
He didn’t give a shit.
Perhaps they agree which is why they left the garbage homeland to migrate to the USA?
the garbage homeland
Puerto Rico is not garbage
I haven’t been, but my parents went maybe 20 years ago and they told me that San Juan is kind of run down but that the island as a whole is beautiful.
Which is what I would have expected to hear and it sure doesn’t sound like garbage to me.
I’m not sure if school failed you or you’re just not an American, but either way: Puerto Rico is part of the USA.
I meant Latinos in general. But do they get to vote? Not a part of the USA. You might as well consider Japan part of the USA since we have military bases there and provide protection for them.
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m talking about this.
Calm your tentacles your gonna ink yourself. Its real simple im trying to explain the low IQ thought process. Puerto Rico is an island, they speak Spanish. If you were born there it’s your homeland. Maybe you grow up and think the opportunity is less than ideal. Sometimes in jokes people say exaggerations and use imagery to help convey a message or punchline. Then you travel to the USA mainland to make a better life for your family.
Congratulations you agree have migrated and agree with people who don’t have your best interest at heart.
I wonder how many of these are second generation immigrants. I’m very much generalizing here, but they can frequently be some of the most “fuck you got mine” people throughout history (like, a lot of Irish and Italian Americans second generations voted for all sorts of racist douchebags up and down the eastern seaboard in the 1960s-1990s, I think a similar thing happened with German Americans and Polish Americans in the Midwest).
I have never understood that. My dad was an immigrant and he always told me about how I should be grateful for where I lived (which I somewhat was until Wednesday morning) and welcoming to people like him who came here from different places. He always said he was “American by choice” and felt that was a choice that was important to offer to others.
Things were absolute shit four years ago. Do these people have amnesia? The economy during the beginning of the Trump presidency was great because of Obama. Trump quickly fucked that up and ended his presidency with a near collapse of our economy.
These people are idiots.
I personally was a big fan of the death and unmitigated disaster surrounding the fumbling of COVID-19. Another big highlight was the 2020 election interference as well. This is what our country deserves, pretty soon reality is gonna hit all of us and we’ll know we fucked up.
Gee, what didn’t we have yet four years ago? Oh, that’s right, a global pandemic shutdown and the resulting stimulus. Definitely the fault of the Dems.
Dumb people: BuT STiMuLUS cHeCKS!
Too many ignorant dumbasses that can’t understand the concept of delayed effects. The upturn in the economy during Trump’s last time in office was a delayed effect of Obama’s administration. The shit we’re in now is because of Trump’s. This shit has happened every single time a Republican has been in office during my life. They fuck everything up, but the effects aren’t seen until they’re gone.
yep, economy is like cold molasses.
The presidents effect on the economy only really starts to come about in their 3rd and 4th year. the first year or two is just carry over, good or bad, from the previous admin.
But that takes thinking… and if theres one thinks Americans hate more than eachother, its having to hurt themselves by using the weird thinky head hurty meats.
“It’s simple, really, I’m just a piece of shit who doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but myself and I’m dumb enough to think that our beloved Leader won’t fuck us when he starts fucking the rest of the country”
People have a hierarchy of needs. If they can’t eat correctly while working, they’ll put “democracy” and ”rights” (even their own) after their stomach… and it’s understandable. Of course Trump will bring no solution but Harris even proposed no solution.
Other than lower taxes and the historical democratic interest in the minimum wage?
More like “it’s simple really. I’m spending $1 more on eggs than I did during a pandemic, so I’m gonna vote for the person taking photos with breakfast food”
I’m not sure how much this explains the Latino vote, but I heard some pundit yesterday make a halfway decent point about how a $1 increase hits harder when you live in a rural area where wages tend to be lower to begin with.
Yeah. But wages are low because they refuse to address any sort of wage legislation too. They keep kicking themselves in the dick and then wonder why their crotch hurts.
It must be the taxes! You know, the ones they either already don’t pay or wouldn’t pay if they could read literally any details about the proposed tax.
The taxes, set by the Trump administration in 2017, that somehow (fucking idiots) never got on their radars. You know, since they were worried about taxes, or money so much…
The president doesn’t have magical knobs that will lower the prices of eggs or fuel.
We are still feeling the effects of post-Covid economy, materials and products got expensive and most never came back down. The president can’t do anything about that unless they are going to interfere with the free market. Really ignorant of people to vote for Trump on that basis.
They actually do… Or at least, the government as a whole does. If you look back at the great depression, WW2 and its aftermath, and the radical actions that the US government took to solve the cost of living crisis then, you can see that it absolutely is possible.
Would it have been possible for Biden in 2020? Technically, yes. The Dems held two branches, and with an end to the filibuster rule and court packing they could theoretically have secured control in the third. A razor thin margin in the senate would have required some very clever, and possibly very ruthless backroom dealing to get things done. But the possibility did, technically, exist.
Buying into the narrative that radical solutions are impossible is exactly why people are sick of the Democrats. Yes, obviously Trump will only make things worse, but the average person doesn’t see that. They only see that they tried handing the keys to the Dems, things only got worse, so now they’re going to try handing the keys to the other guys.
And if they actually took the time to look into WHY anything was happening that they didn’t like or enjoy, they would have eventually found some answers somewhere.
Dude, we have a WHOLE entire “team” of ReDUMBlicans who will bitch and whine that anything good that is offered by Democrats IMMEDIATELY gets shut down or must make changes to include something stupid, just so they can get their grubby little fingers into it. OR try to sue for it, which just clutters up our court system.
The president, at least a Democrat one, CAN NOT just do whatever the fuck they want to do, for those exact reasons.
As a Latino, I’m gonna mother fuck and cuss out any Latino I meet who voted Trump.
Yup. I live in the FSA (fucked states of america), am latina and I know a few of those fuckers. Beyond disappointing
Your energy would be better spent blaming the politicians for not advocating policies that cater to the worried and concerns of voters
Do you really think people who casted their votes this way are blameless?
The Democrats have their fair share of responsibility for not dealing with the reality of what they have to work with and advocating better positions and trying to solve their problems. Significant blame.
But that doesn’t make Trump voters or non-voters not culpable for cutting off their nose to spite their face. It’s still wildly ignorant at best and evil at worst.
The voters are not to blame. This is the democrats and dnc fault 100%
Latino for Trump here.
Is this the line for the free tears?
Nah it is the one for the free ridicule though.
REALLY?!
Where Daddy? Where?
I’ve been waiting all day for some, yet there is none to be found.
Guess my facts (as seen below) were just too real. Please, ridicule me for hawk tuwa spitting the truth daddy!!
Your car / truck / motorcycle is lame and your exes all laugh together about how bad you are in bed.
MY TRUCK IS HUGE JUST LIKE MY COCK!!!
And you KNOW that!!!
Your truck and your cock are alike: they’re both useless garbage that nobody with a functioning brain cell would want to touch.
spoiler
The only way you can sustain an erection is to imagine Trump screwing Ivanka with his tiny mushroom while Jared watches.
No the tears are when you forget to bring your ID for a walk around the neighborhood and end up in a concentration camp
Don’t forget your ID, I’d hate to see you end up sharing a tent with all of those “bad hombres”
Good luck! ;)
Oh you! Always worrying about me!
While I appreciate the concern, nothing like that is going to happen. You know why? Because all of this fear mongering is just that: fear mongering!
You know how I know it’s all fear mongering? Don’t you worry! I did all the hard work for you: I did the research! And I brought receipts!!™
You see kids, denaturalization is a process that has been in place since the early 1900s. It is used to revoke the citizenship of people who really REALLY shouldn’t be here. We are talking Terrorist, Russian spys, Nazis (like, actual Nazis from WWII, not just people who don’t agree with you politically in the year 2024). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
I feel this is a worthy use of our tax dollars! I mean, you want to deport Nazis and Russian spys, right?
“But, Awesomo!” (you whine), “Trump is going to go after all the innocent “brown people”!”(brown people© Democrats 2006)
Hmmm…I don’t know. Will he really? If only we had some sort of historical data to back up this totally baseless claim……
Ooops! We do! You see, Trump was already President once. And everyone is claiming that he came down with an Iron Fist the first go-round. Turns out only 4 people, let me repeat that: 4 PEOPLE total, were denaturalized under President Trump. And guess what? Those 4 people were a terrorist, a LITERAL Nazi, and a couple of war criminals. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States)
Hell, President Obama (the great and powerful and o-so-cool) denaturalized 8 people during his terms! And again, these were (undeniably) undesirable people.
So you see, you don’t need to worry your pretty little head about me. I (like every other US citizen that migrated here and isn’t a Nazi or Terrorist) have NOTHING to be afraid of.
Hugs and kisses!
Now do the research on the alien enemies act and how it’s already been used.
Why would he use this process instead of his stated approach of using the alien enemies act?
Oh, you just posted this because, like many other people claiming “I did the research”, you have no idea how to do research.
Yeah, they liked being in the middle of a poorly handled pandemic. It was great!!
How the fuck can they say it was better 4 years ago. Do they mean right before Covid hit? Right before people lost their jobs and the dumbass politicized an illness? Right before people couldn’t get baby formula? Right before people started fighting for fucking toilet paper? Before people started dying?
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers. You won’t be at the table, you’re going to be on the table, a table you built, and torn apart with knives you sharpened. You dumb fucks.
The trump economy had a decent distance to fall for most people. The whole regime was a clusterfuck, but it was only starting to hit the majority of people in 2019. That was massively overshadowed by the pandemic which many people don’t realize how much worse we handled it than other countries like France and Vietnam. Well now that we just barely touched a soft landing for his fuck ups they’re about to see how bad his economic policies are. We’re gonna get fucked in the ass but unable to afford lube
Everyone ignores that Trump took a booming economy and turned it into almost a recession on his first term.
Covid covered it up while he completely fucked up handling it too. He made it far far worse than doing nothing and hiding in a bunker. He actively withheld medical aid and caused countless deaths.
But somehow he has over 50m supporters instead of a jail cell.
I honestly don’t know how this country can recover when the right can drown out facts and rewrite history with lies.
I can’t wait until we get to 2028 so we can talk about how eggs are more expensive than they are now. Oh wait, that only happens when democrats are in office
I think Trump bullshits well, then inherited good economy and whatnot from Obama, started canceling all that shit, which Biden then has been trying to fix and now Trump gets it again.
Policies take time to show and that’s something these people didn’t account for, imo.
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers.
Hard agree.
Basically, people are dumb and think that the current economic situation reflects only current policy, whereas in reality it takes several years for a policy to affect the economy significantly. I mean i don’t have any love for Biden, but the fact that the inflation started at the end of Trump’s presidency and continued into Biden’s was due primarily to Trump policy. The fact that it slowed finally is due to Biden policy, but now that Trump is taking over, he’ll take responsibility and immediately go back to policy that breaks the economy again, but only at the end of his term. This is one reason he’s unlikely succeed for long if he to tries to seize power illegally and would have been way worse off if he had won his second term. His policy effects would be under his watch. Also why single term presidents are often less reviled than two term ones historically.
