Signups opened this week for Loops, a short-form looping video app from the creator of Instagram alternative Pixelfed, reports TechCrunch.
I don’t think TikTok community is compatible with the idea of fediverse
TikTok exists to give you large floods of endorphins via either an algorithm trained to your interests or by giving you big numbers. And this is not exclusive to TikTok, this is just how modern “social” media works, it’s the sole reason why bluesky succeeded more than mastodon
Modern social media is mostly a hive mind of people affirming each other driven by algorithms. Fediverse on the other hand, always boils down to a old fashioned usenet style network made just so people can talk with each other. You can’t really get addicted to fedi
I wasn’t really alive during the wild west internet (im 19). I got into the net during the transition from forums to modern social media and reddit was my first social. I tried getting into facebook and instagram because everyone else was there but I just didn’t like it much.
I don’t know why but “the algorithm” is really boring for me. I only tried algorithm driven feeds on reddit (after u/spez) and on tumblr but the recommendations were always extremely “fake”. Other sorting methods like “new” or “by most active” just feel more like as if there was someone on the other side of the keyboard
It’s weird seeing how “the algorithm” has genuinely only made things worse. Falling into the YouTube rabbit hole was a thing, and it was entirely organic. From the loose connections of topics, you could start from any feel good funny video, and end in detailed documentary about MK Ultra.
The best algorithm was no algorithm and there’s no way of ever going back to that. I feel pretty lucky to have experienced the internet before it became everything.
I don’t think algorithms themselves are to blame but what they are tuned for. While engagement/eyeball hours for the adserver is the prime metric the quality of experience will be subservient to it. If the algorithms could better measure your mood and stimulation levels and maximise for that the effect would be less toxic. Ideally if it realised you were just mindlessly consuming it could suggest maybe you’ve done enough today and to try something else. But that I fear that is not something the owners of the various ecosystems want.
my favorite feel good funny videos are about Mk Ultra and the three letter agencies (IRS FDA MSG)
An interesting point, that a lot of younger people might not know: social media wasn’t always like this.
When I joined facebook around 2008-09, it wasn’t algorithm driven, there weren’t even ads. You had a chronological feed of your friends’ interactions, so you could see if someone posts a photo, comments something, or shares a stupid quiz. It was a very-very different feeling compared to what we have now. It was useful and practical, but the enshittification killed it.
I would never sign up for something like this today, absolutely useless - only reason I’m still there is the messaging app, which I use daily with most of my friends/family.
You can’t really get addicted to fedi
Hmm… anxiously eyeing my Lemmy post history…
Yeah, I’m not as addicted to Lemmy as I was with Reddit, because there aren’t as many comments and niche communities and an algorithm messing with me, but like I check Lemmy throughout each day and if I’m honest there’s not much purpose aside from getting that hit.
I’m kinda in line with you, but I have noticed that there are more days and even weeks if I’m busy where I never look at Lemmy. I don’t think I went a full day without Reddit unless I specifically decided to for like a trip with an SO or family
Could be worse. Could be flying squid.
You can’t really get addicted to fedi
Phew, I was getting a bit worried.
Partly why I use Voyager with page numbers. Gives you a clear stop point.
I had some days that I spent hours debating with people, other days I just chill and chat with people, particularly on Mastodon.
and then theres… Lemmy, I was probably addicted to the hardest. The score system would keep me checking it and i’d be interested in keeping my score up high. I’d even argue that it made me a better human being.
Me too😂
I have been so happy since I’ve adopted the “intentional browsing” concept. It means I am the only one choosing what I want to see so I use NewPipe instead of YouTube, Mastodon instead of Twitter, Lemmy and a RSS reader instead of Reddit. My life has improved so much I am not even kidding. I feel ‘clean’
I don’t think anything is un-addictable (making up words here). I do agree that the social media mindset and fedi are not compatible though, basically because of the algorithm concept.
At the end of the day I hate all social media because they feed me what they think I want to eat. Regardless of how well they do that I hate the concept because I want to decide for myself what I want to partake in. Fedi allows that without getting in my way.
I’d be surprised if it wasn’t a bit more subtle than that. While the medium really facilitate the behavior that you describe, I’m pretty sure that it also hosts sane usages, creative content and positive communities.
They don’t have to sell or provide videos to third parties, because they can just do it themselves.
That’s the nature of actual federation. It’s not private.
We are literally training the future AI that will suppress mankind by our social media chats.
Nice.
But they will have a mean onion dip recipe
The recipe includes glue.
Great pizza
The cruel age of the onion dip will sear agony upon not just our souls, but our eyes and nostrils.
Im guessing it’s going to be missing all the features that make tiktok popular like duets and pedophilia.
Thanks for the uncomfortable chuckle.
What does duets mean in this context?
It’s a feature of TikTok where you can put your video side-by-side with some else’s video. This seems like a decent explanation.
I’m not convinced the Fediverse is devoid of pedophilia, I think we all need to be wary of it and report it whenever we see it.
I think you just perfectly described Roblox
I think it’s scary how many of the mainstream platforms this joke could apply to.
Maybe I’m just old, but I traveled by plane recently (I don’t fly very often) and seeing everyone around me mindlessly scrolling short-form video content was shocking. Looked identical to the people in the space ship in WALL-E.
Dude, it’s the airport. It’s boring as fuck.
So are 10 second videos.
Maybe the next one won’t be boring though
Or the next one
One more video and ill stop
They should go do a crossword puzzle and get off my lawn.
Tbh, doesn’t sound like a bad option.
Sudoku is my go-to for boring time on the airplane
Yeah there’s probably a park with a lot more grass
Millions upon millions disagree. Some people are alcoholics and some people can enjoy a drink now and then. It’s the same with short form video content. Not everyone is an addict and I like that I can search something and actually get answers instead of an article or 10 minute video begging for subscribers and 1/3 of the video being an intro.
TikTok quantified the precise amount of viewing it takes for someone to form a habit: 260 videos.
Kentucky authorities note that while it might seem a lot, TikTok videos can be just a few seconds long.
“Thus, in under 35 minutes, an average user is likely to become addicted to the platform,” the state investigators concluded.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/12/g-s1-28040/teens-tiktok-addiction-lawsuit-investigation-documents
If only I could get addicted to something socially acceptable in under 35 minutes, like doing chores, or at least maths
Unfortunately the addictability and social acceptability are mutually exclusive. I can’t think of anything that’s both. Maybe coffee.
I’m a proud #CoffeeHater!
For what it’s worth, getting in the habit of making excuses for one’s use is part of alcoholism.
I’m not an alcoholic and I’m not addicted to TikTok because I watch it at the airport.
Right, exactly this. Also not ALL of the stuff that’s shortform is brain rot or nonsense. There’s so many different people doing so many different things and if you give it a chance enough to find the things you like it can be as enjoyable as a long form YouTube video or whatever form of media you do consider to be more respectable than short form videos. Dismissing ALL short form content is just silly. And sure if you actually just don’t enjoy it than that’s your thing.
You’re right that there is a lot of good content, too. The problem is that a platform doesn’t care as long as you stay and watch, also you’ll need quite a lot of effort to find your own good content. So when I come to YouTube for something and end up watching more, I always know that I failed to YouTube trying to rip me off
also not a fan of them, but people are enjoying it. so by definition it’s not boring for them
You can have tons of fun at the airport as long as you don’t mind getting on the no-fly list.
Fair, but I traveled for a music festival and saw lots of people pulling up their phones to get a few hits of TikTok/insta when there was a small lull in action. And most of them were with friends. Just enjoy your surroundings.
I was at a party with a small group of friends recently. We were all talking in a group and then one guy started watching tik/insta/whatever with the volume on. Everyone kinda looked at each other like wtf? I asked our friend if he wanted to borrow my headphones to watch that. He took the hint and rejoined the conversation. I still was gobsmacked someone would do that while hanging out with people.
Endorphins are a hell of a drug.
Next time I’m in an airport food court I’ll try to really take in the view of the cinnabon next to the starbucks.
The way you write tells me you are young.
The older you get (and having a family of your own) the more you enjoy the quiet moments, just like the ones when you sit in an airport, waiting for the plane.
It’s really feels like a weight has been lifted from your shoulders.
I’m 37 with 2 kids. Sometimes I watch short form videos to kill time when bored. I’m aware of the fact that it’s not great for me. I also drink too much caffeine.
And there are so many things you could do even just on your phone than mindless, objectively bad for your mental health shit like tiktok style content. Watch actual videos about interesting, cool and/or fun things, play a game, talk with a friend etc.
TikTok DOES have videos of interesting, cool, fun, and even educational things. If the algorithm has you on garbage, it’s because of what you watch.
Instagram has been getting me with this. I like to post sometimes, but my friends and I recently compared our screen time stats and I couldn’t believe I was regularly wasting hours a day mindlessly scrolling IG. I uninstalled the app and will just occasionally post from my computer.
WALL-E was depressingly prescient.
What tf you want them to do?
I don’t see how reading magazines, what people used to do, is any better.
I’m not an expert, so take this as far as you’d like — reading has real benefits to our brains such as improving vocabulary, improving critical thinking skills, and improving focus. I don’t think short form videos give us the same brain benefits.
Here’s an article from Piedmont health on the benefits of reading. I haven’t seen such an article for short form videos, but am open to it if there is one.
https://www.piedmont.org/living-real-change/health-benefits-of-reading
You don’t see how reading is better than watching a video?
Doesn’t it depend on the content? Textbook vs tabloid magazine/ educational video vs top 10 celebrity meltdowns. I don’t see how one medium is inherently better than the other.
It depends on the content, not the media.
Reading the same nonsense isn’t any different from watching it
Why have we got to gatekeep absolutely everything?
As opposed to doing what exactly?
If you are upset by the video length I can provide you plenty of videos of absolute tosh that are over 18 minutes long.
Reading, maybe. People don’t read actual literature as much as they used to.
A long video would also be better for you, yes, instead of being designed to catch your attention and keep giving you dopamine hits.
TikTok has 2 versions:
One is what we use. People mindlessly scroll brainrot contents with algorithm desinged to as addictive as possible.
Another one is chinese version. It has actualy useful and educative content, but its China only.
Regardless of whether the content is “useful and educative” or “brainrot”, I just don’t seem how you can comprehend rapidly-changing and very short content at all, this just seems unnatural. Is that how ADHD feels like? And not like you can get comprehensive knowledge from such bite-sized videos anyway, maximum disjointed factoids.
I don’t think the national security risk from tiktok is people watching it while waiting an hour for the plane to actually take off.
it’s from the clear boosting of propaganda.
The boosting of propaganda and the identification, tracking and exploitation of government targets.
People in key government positions are still people like us and they love social media too. Having an app on their phone doing data mining can identify people of interest and then collect data, target and compromise them. Even without the app on a government issued phone they can identify key people using their personal phones and then target them for more sophisticated surveillance.
As a Chinese person, no. Chinese version is just censored more. Both are good as far as format goes.
I’m not in china and I get chess, math and physics videos.
Yeah, fucking sheep!
I also thought about those scenes in Wally when I was walking the dog the other day.
Soon all of us will float around in armchairs and never step outside.
Welcome to the new world.
PS: I am old too.
I’m glad there’s still a place left for us old curmudgeons that isn’t overrun by normies yet. i saw somebody suggest hosting things on tor, just for the purpose of keeping normies away from it. hilarious but probably would work great!
My problem with tiktok/reels/shorts is not that they aren’t federated. It’s the entire format/concept I hate.
I think I might like them better if they didn’t auto-play. I hate anything that auto-plays.
Let’s take it a step further, a tile based feed where you can pick yourself what would you like to watch, wait…
I think if you’re just looking for quick news breaks then it can be useful but if you’re looking for detailed content or lengthy movies, or skits. Something like Youtube would be more preferred. I think for me it depends on the content.
I watch a ton of YouTube. I love it for entertainment and some news. I absolutely hate YouTube for tutorials or guides though. If I’m trying to figure out how to fix a computer issue, I just want to read about it and have screenshots I can look at. I don’t want to have to constantly pause a damn video or scroll back and forth to find info.
As far as tiktok style videos go I just hate everything about them. I hate the auto play, I hate the vertical aspect ratio, I hate the stupid auto voiceovers, I hate the dumb floating captions and comments overlay, I hate the lack of volume adjustment or the ability to pause and rewind or seek. I hate the types of brainrot content that people make to work the algorithm. I hate that the format has infested YouTube and IG with no real way to be rid of it.
If you hate the content, find out other types of content that does work with the short videos. Surely you could find some kind of use from it? From the videos being short it has time saving potential particularly I can see that atleast.
Agreed, except youtube is great for any guides on stuff like vehicle maintenance. Want to know how to do something on your car? It’s almost guaranteed there’s a youtube video walking you through the whole process.
Agreed. Automotive repair is a big exception to my video tutorial hatred. It just makes more sense as it’s something being worked on in 3 dimensions. It would probably work well for home improvement stuff as well.
I think if you’re just looking for quick news breaks then it can be useful…
No, even then, that format is even worse. Good journalism often has a nuance and detail to it. The short-format video nonsense barely has enough time to get through a headline and a broad summary.
The 24h news cycle is bad enough without trying to shorten it further to 90sec ragebait clips.
I addressed that actually. I said if you wanted more detail then youtube or peertube might be better.
But if you just want a quick glance, then that’s why I said then maybe the short form content might be preferred.
short-form looping video
What about regular videos?
There’s already Peertube for that.
How can I join Peertube?
Gotta make a message enticing people to join Peertube!
Thank you for the link!
PeerTube?
Cool
TikTok gathering data and selling it to whoever is a problem but it’s not the problem.
The problem of TikTok and many other social media is that it drains our energy and motivation. It’s like digital weed, creates the feeling that there’s no reason to change things. We can just consume things.
Nah man, Social Media Companies are at an evil genius level of greed. They are the ones creating the feeling of consuming a “digital weed,” as you call it. Blaming the users is tantamount to saying the world is polluted because people love cars, as if the oil and gas lobby isn’t cultivating that and profiting massively off of it.
Barkbarkbark
TikTok is designed to make you consume and not meaningfully engage. As complex as the algorithm is, users’ ability to participate in discussions is severely limited.
ByteDance is capable of writing software that predicts what you want to see next, but it can’t write comment sorting, or basic threading like Reddit?
The severe limitations in communication are deliberate. You’re not supposed to engage meaningfully, you’re supposed to look at it, feel something, and then scroll.
One of the reasons I like seeing new social media startups (like Lemmy) is that the current offerings are harmful to us, and any challenge to them as the potential to make positive change.
Bark
it drains our energy and motivation
All this time, I thought the daily grind of employment - consuming 8-12 hours of my day for someone else’s profit - was what exhausted my free time, limited my opportunities for socializing, and drained my enthusiasm for local organizing. Turns out it was the fifteen minutes of free time between meetings checking current events that was to blame.
It’s like digital weed
So its palliative care for our lack of comprehensive healthcare, but even less effective at the job?
That’s a problem. Absolutely. It’s not the problem though. I’m not sure the problem can be summarized so succinctly. This is the way I’ve been putting it:
These are the top reasons humanity needs successful, decentralized, open social media platforms:
- Collecting and selling user’s private data is dangerous and unethical.
- Using that data to intentionally and directly manipulate user’s thinking is even worse.
- All of the major centralized social media companies have been proven to either allow these illicit information campaigns or coordinate them directly. TikTok is the focus right now but Sophie Zhang exposed Facebook for doing exactly what TikTok has been exposed for recently. Can you recall any meaningful consequences for Facebook? Do you think Facebook is now safe to use?
- It’s clear that most political leaders are either too ignorant, too corrupt, or too inept to meaningfully legislate against these problems.
- The concerned public can’t shut Pandora’s box. No one is coming to save us from big tech or the monied interests and nation-states that wield it.
- The concerned public can’t easily and legally audit the platforms big tech builds because they are closed and proprietary.
- Personal choice is not enough. Not using centralized social media increases personal safety but does little to curb its influence otherwise.
These are listed by order of intuitive acceptance rather than importance. I find it aids the conversation.
The best reasonable answer to these problems I’ve seen proposed is for the public to create an open and decentralized alternative that’s easier to use and provides a better user experience.
Will that kind of alternative be a force for pure good? I’m not sure. To your point: I’m not convinced social media of any kind can be more than self-medication to cope with modernity. Then again I’ve had incredible and meaningful conversations with close friends after passing the bong around and spent time on Facebook/Reddit, and now Mastodon/Lemmy/etc, doing the same. Those interactions were uplifting and humanizing in ways that unified and encouraged all involved.
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. We need to take care of each other, refuse pure hedonism, and protect the vulnerable (and we’re all varying degrees of vulnerable). At the same time: humans aren’t happy in sterile viceless productivity prisons. Creating spaces for leisure which do no harm in the course of their use isn’t just a nice idea… It’s necessary for a functional and happy society.
Yep. The world just needs more stupid videos from stupid people. Just federated.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, though. You can assume them stupid, but nobody would use these forms of media if they viewed them the same. It’s just world moving on and leaving us greybeards behind, muttering about how stupid the new things are. Like the generation of our parents did for our interests, and theirs before them, and theirs before them, and so on.
Ok
Get off my damn lawn
not to be a Debbie Downer or anything but I bet it runs like shit
So, you’re being negative about an alpha release of someone’s hard work without checking it out first?
independently hosted video content? i support it, but im not optimistic about it
PeerTube is also a Fediverse service, and does the longer form videos, like YouTube. It mostly works fine; it just lacks content.
Very cool that its federated but to be honest i just dont like this kind of short form content. I ratherd watch a youtube video.
Same
Short form content ruins people’s attention span. I’ll pass.
My biggest problem with short form content is I want to pick what I’ll watch based on the uploader, title and thumbnail, not be algorithmically fed videos I may or may not be interested in. All of the video providers are going straight for the algorithm so I have zero interest.
The algorithm won’t know what kind of content I’m in the mood for so I want to be in control to choose. The algorithm also likes to try to feed me content by some creators who aren’t worth my time and I don’t want to watch one second of their videos
Especially repost bots, engagement bait, or just plain misinformation. It’s rampant on Instagram.
Sounds cool for hosting videos! Maybe I’ll try it.
Lemmy’s final boss…
Then again, Lemmy and ActivityPub are (by design) wide open to anyone, including TenCent
Awesome! This sounds like a much better way for me to share the occasional video of either or both of my dogs being super cute on c/dogs (and on other non-Lemmy forums) than relying on an anonymous YouTube account.
(I may have partially used this post as an excuse to share a video of one of my dogs being super cute.)
Anyone actually got an email? I have signed up and haven’t gotten one all week :(
Thought I put in the wrong email or something and was super confused for a while myself 😁
Not yet… Just waiting
I got this email 5 days ago and nothing since
Hi @Fitik, We’re thrilled to welcome you to Loops.video! We’re in the process of onboarding all our new users, and we can’t wait for you to experience the magic of short looping video. Keep an eye out for another email from us later tonight or tomorrow (depending on when you signed up). It will have all the details you need to get started, including how to create your first Loop. Welcome to the Loops community! Regards, The Loops Team
I got an email that said to keep an eye out for another email lol. Glad I’m one step ahead of everyone else
