Cross posted from Discuit
I wonder if this has been substantiated in any way. If so, it would carry a great deal more meaning to everyone.
Either way, the whole DOGE experiment is nuts.
I bet his flag is down just for selling purposes. He probably blames Joe Biden.
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sad stuff… people voting against their interests
They vote as they dobecause they’re so impressionable. It’s also why there’s a huge overlap of religious nutjobs and Republicans.
How the fuck did democrats go from the party that hates misinformation to the party that believes implausible posts on a platform known to be full nonsense because it fits a cute narrative?
How did getting laid off during cutbacks go from commonplace to implausible? Are you taking the wrong meds?
Nobody is this stupid. You’re being intentionally dishonest.
USDA isn’t the private sector. There are strict rules against firing the vast majority of employees. It’s why Trump has largely gone after probationary employees, as they have less protections. Even that has been wrapped up in several different ongoing court cases.
There are also mortgage forbearance programs designed for temporary job loss. Even without them, foreclosure is a lengthy process. It’s not something that’s initiated after one missed payment.
So for this story to be true:
- OP, a progressive Twitter influencer, lives next to a hardcore MAGA republican. Unlikely, but relatively common
- Said MAGA republican is also a federal government employee. More unlikely, but still relatively common
- Said federal government employee is among the roughly 10 percent of government workers that are probationary. Relatively rare, but not unheard of
- Despite being new to federal employment and federal employment known for someone that you do for the long haul for pension reasons, OP’s neighbor has the money to buy a house. Relatively rare, but not unheard of
- Despite having the finances for a home, is in such dire straits that the only option after one missed paycheck is to sell their home. Very rare, but not unheard of
- Despite being very into politics and a government employee, is wholly unaware of the pending legal actions against said firing, including the current rulings reversing the staffing cuts.
All of this is possible. The world is a strange place. However the confluence of all those things being true is highly improbable, perfectly matches the “dumb conservatives gonna regret their choice” narrative progressive influencers push, and is sourced from a platform known for being full of misinformation and bait.
Ah, the classic anything I don’t agree with is fake news.
- On Twitter, the site known for random misinformation
- OP knows their neighbor well enough to know where they work, despite that not being nearly as common these days and OP not seeming like the kind of guy that would befriend Trump supporters
- OP’s neighbor is one of the minority of federal workers who are probationary employees, because that’s the only group Elon has been able to really fire right now
- OP’s neighbor simultaneously being a homeowner with a previously-stable job, but being in such dire financial straits that simply missing two paychecks results in a complete crashout.
- OP’s neighbor then selling the house instead of taking advantage of the large number of hardship programs that would be available for someone with issues paying their mortgage, at least temporarily.
Like is this possible? Yes. However it’s highly implausible, and conveniently matches the whole “stupid Drunpf supporters regret their decision” narrative that both Lemmy and reddit absolutely adore. To take this at any sort of face value without any genuine shred of concrete evidence is insane.
OP’s neighbor is one of the minority of federal workers who are probationary employees, because that’s the only group Elon has been able to really fire right now
This part isn’t true. At this point, probably over half of the fired workers were permanent, from agencies that are closing or are implementing RIFs. Most are still drawing paychecks, but budgeting does (and should) change once someone is informed that they’ll be out of a job in the next month or two.
For many agencies, these satellite offices often have monopsony power over workers of certain job skills. NOAA and the National Weather Service employ a lot of people who have job functions not really available from another employer, especially without moving. The same is true of NIH and CDC. HHS just announced the closure of several lawyer offices, and those specialists are going to have a bit of a rough time finding replacement jobs. USDA is a big organization, and have a ton of economists and scientists who would basically have to take a big pay cut if they’re laid off in this environment.
You’re downplaying just how devastating some of these job losses are, by ignoring that many of these people moved to these cities in reliance on the job stability they expected, and downplaying the number of people affected and the length of tenure these people have.
I don’t have a strong view of whether this story is literally true of this specific account’s neighbor. But I can tell you that versions of this story have happened to thousands already, and will happen to tens of thousands more.
In other words you don’t give a shit about facts so long as they fit your worldview.
Everyone is assuming he lost the house. Maybe he got a better job and is moving to a new and better house, closer to the new job
If OP’s neighbor got a promotion within the last 2 years he is a probationary employee.
Ah, the classic “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” is more like it. That’s half the reason we’re in the mess.
ask any millenial what all our parents were telling us until they got on facebook.
So anyways I started shit posting…
Considering how Lemmy feels about democrats and how everyone claims to be a true leftist…
Just because the Democrats are the most left leaning party available to Americans doesn’t make the democratic party a left leaning party. If anything the Democrats are centerists because their ultimate objective is to maintain the status quo. Lemmy reaches to far more countries that just the United States, places that have left leaning parties. Even left-wing extremists parties, although they’re definitely on the ropes lately.
The Democrats aren’t a progressive party, they’re a conservative party. It’s just with MAGA in the room the scale has moved so far to the right that the center (conservative) seems progressive.
I’m not really sure what you’re responding to here. I’m just saying this person is assuming the poster isn’t a leftist on a site that more dominated by leftists than true blue democrats.
It’s a classic “anyone who does something wrong must be on a different team.”
The fact that this guy posts this on X with a paid-for blue checkmark tells you everything about why Trump won and why he’ll keep winning. The left has made almost no effort to win the information space. They just lose and then celebrate when some of the harm falls back on MAGA.
How about his for a change: Win. Try to win. Stop kowtowing to right wing information propaganda spaces that stifle the left like X, Fox News, and Rogan. Fight them like the right fights the left in the information space. True, you won’t get to celebrate when your neighbor suffers from Trump, but it’ll be because he didn’t vote Trump in the first place.
I saw the “Dems are the Uvalde cops Magas are the shooters.” And goddamn it salpped ever since. You guys need to get a real 3rd party that is real grassroots socialist.
that would be me. sucks im too poor to run a campaign though lmao.
I’ve been watching people go on and on about a Socialist revolution since I read about Gene Debs in high school.
I haven’t seen them actually do anything yet.
Need to finish that Elden Ring dlc first.
Easy to say, hard to do.
This is a liberal account, he’s not a leftist. Leftists have been in the streets, while liberals remain in the tweets.
You expect a “both sides” maga to know that? Seeing all these “it’s the dem’s fault for not telling us how shit trump would treat us” folks is crazy. Everyone want to blame the dems for the lepords.
The democrats ran the same candidate against Trump and lost two out of the three times they tried. Do you happen to know the definition of insanity?
Nice rhyme, might steal it
I don’t believe in intellectual property, so you can’t. It’s yours as much as mine.
It’s amazing how everyone doing everything right is a leftist and everyone they disagree with/who isn’t doing things right is a liberal. That’s why leftists are in position of power!
Remind me again, are the democrats currently in power?
Most of the country is governed or represented by democrats yes.
Right, those are the same democrats actively helping Trump. Hey, good job on those performative sit downs in congress, you guys are really fighting the good fight! I’ve always said that nothing beats fascism like a not-too-strongly worded letter. At the rate things are going, it practically doesn’t matter that you ushered in a red wave and lost the House, Senate, Presidency, and Supreme Court, and probably destroyed democracy.
Now run along back to brunch before the wine is gone!
I’m not a registered democrat nor do I hold love for the party. How we feel about them is irrelevant. My previous comment is accurate.
You are also the first person to mention the Democrats. I said leftists aren’t in positions of power and liberals are.
everyone in the country should be liberal. but it seems most just ignore the term and definition behind it though and just assume only left/democrats want to have freedom
put that on a bumper sticker
There must be dozens of them.
This fuckin slaps
Thanks, I literally thought it up when I typed “in the streets”.
The trump sign probably only came down so they could put it back up at whatever trailer park they move into. They’ll gladly vote for the next trump-aligned fascist. These people are incapable of learning.
Yup. Realtor likely took it down because any political flag will devalue a house or turn away potential buyers.
Gonna be complaining DEI made him lose his job and Biden’s taxes made him lose his house
Good and screw the neo-Nazi who found the fuck out.
Is “MAGAtard” okay to say on Lemmy without getting banned? It’s not a slur against mentally challenged people FFS, it’s a slur against MAGA. I think MAGAt is a poor substitute.
If you have to ask, you probably already know the answer. You can insult them without playing off of a slur for another group.
When I ask a question it’s because I don’t know the answer. I don’t pretend to have psychic powers like so many people on social media.
You’re part of the problem
All my Trump neighbors are rental tenants so they get shuffled in and out every year by their landlords. A few MAGA banner fliers as well as a few families with small kids all got kicked out my neighborhood this last year for Sale signs to go up.
They were tricked by a propaganda machine. They may have been willing participants but had they known everything they never would have voted against their own interests. Yet every country in the western hemisphere, South America, Africa, Asia, and well everywhere doesn’t have anti propaganda laws. If you’re rich you can buy influence in any neo liberal country. Why is that?
How do you construct anti-propaganda laws that can’t be used by bad actors to silence dissent? Genuine question if you have an answer but I don’t think anyone actually does. The only actual counter to propaganda is quality education, which is where the US has been failing dramatically.
You have to target entities that knowingly lie and portray themselves as serious. Anti fraud laws with teeth.
The comment says anti-propaganda laws. I’m 100% in favor of anti-fraud laws, but propaganda is special that it’s not always direct (read as: legally enforcable) lies.
A lot of them are. I think one could argue the news always saying “crime go up” is an easily provable misrepresentation and if the anti fraud laws were strong enough that a city might be able to sue large companies for such a misrepresentation, it could heavily damage the propaganda value.
Another instance: if people saying a “nobody was arrested for BLM”. Then somebody arrested during BLM should have the right to sue a big outlet like fox news if they repeat the lie.
That’s still not directly anti-propaganda laws. I’m very much in favor of holding media that lies accountable, beyond just civil law.
I’m talking about propaganda as a whole, which very much includes things that aren’t lies. For example, during the 2024 US election, I was bombarded with ads that used anecdotal evidence and indirect language to create a subtextual message of immigrants=criminals. The best counter to this imo, and propaganda as a whole, is education because proper education in critical thinking (which even the best US schools seem to avoid, wonder why…) would let people have the tools to know that you can’t create a conclusion that big from anecdotes.
Strong anti-fraud laws encompass far more than propaganda and are a low hanging fruit of creating a just society, which is why I’m focusing on anti-propaganda specifically and how someone would avoid creating a perfect tool for abuse by a bad actor. I’m not doing this to be facetious or anything, I want to know if anyone has already come up with an approach to this problem
So far all anti propaganda laws were passed in totalitarian states to suppress dissidents. But I think a good start would be to look at pre-existing limitations on free speech. Can you shout “fire” in a crowded theater just for funsies? No? Then we’ve already got a public safety caveat in our right to free speech. So you can’t say something that will kill people IF IT IS A LIE. There are also time place and manner restrictions on free speech. So we agree there is a time and place where you can criticize the state. So we sort of believe that during public emergencies, such as during a pandemic, you cannot spread lies about the pandemic.
There are ways to prove lies.
It’s kind of scary that 3 weeks is all it took for them to list their home.
It just kinda proves to me that the story is most likely bullshit, or they were always planning to sell the house.
It’s kind of scary that 3 weeks is all it took for them to list their home.
The neighbor is part of the (in 2019) 51%.
“Most Working Americans Would Face Economic Hardship If They Missed More than One Paycheck”
And on top of that for most government workers their paychecks have been remarkably stable. Assuming you’ll always be employed plus easy credit and bad financial habits are a bad combination
Pretty much this. For many, up until basically right now, working in the federal government all but guaranteed employment for years. I tried very, very hard to be employed at my local NIOSH branch (sadly didn’t make the cut) because of this fact.
Man, that’s tragic. I was poor most of my early life, and when I finally started to make enough money to be comfortable, I knew that the thing I couldn’t do was fall into the lifestyle trap. Living well below my means saved me so much hardship when things weren’t going well. I know that many don’t ever get to the point of comfortable, though, and there’s a bit of luck and effort, to that.
I wish we could do that. Renting and buying houses today makes it incredibly difficult to live very far below your means.
Oh for sure. I had one good run with a company that went public. I leveraged that into long term investments rather than buying expensive stuff I didn’t need.
Bet he also had a $100k truck parked in front of that home. Bought with a loan with 12% interest
12% is pretty insane for an asset that depreciates as fast as a vehicle does.
My first car had a 23% interest rate on the loan. I had no credit history and was relying on people I thought knew enough about car buying with me to help me know if I was getting shafted. That dealership has remained on my do not buy list ever since, even after changing ownership due to the previous owners practices of fraud
It’s such a sham that the “truth in lending” laws still didn’t go far enough to simplify the Financials of loan interest.
Honestly the biggest problem was not that I wasn’t shown the interest rate, but that they carefully avoided any financial talk (I never actually saw the final price of the vehicle, only the monthly payment and only learned the exact details, including the several extra thousand dollars of extended service plans when I was going to refinance the loan at my bank) and carefully flipped through the paperwork to encourage jumping straight to signing without reading, even joking “oh no you don’t want to read that” at one stage
Every car I’ve bought since I’ve been extremely diligent to read through all of the paperwork before signing anything, and one of the times caught the permission to sell data for marketing purposes form which I declined (the salesperson seemed surprised when I spotted that one and said “oh that looks like one to decline”)
yeah that’s my point. the truth in lending laws don’t cover that level of obfuscation, so that monthly payment hides the actual burden in one small omission.
Because cars are status symbols and people are fucking stupid. So of course capitalists exploit these dumdums. There are even companies where you can rent-to-own tire rims. And of course those companies make hundreds of millions a year.
If their whole financial system is built on getting the next paycheck or else, this is quite to be expected. He might even be smart (for a magahead) putting it on the market as early as possible instead of clinging to it.
Doesn’t seem likely unless he was renting. Even if you miss one mortgage payment, your bank can’t take your house that fast. If he was renting, he might have been threatened with eviction and chose to leave.
Doesn’t seem likely unless he was renting. Even if you miss one mortgage payment, your bank can’t take your house that fast.
If it was posted for sale it likely wasn’t a foreclosure that fast. Perhaps the owner did the math and saw very quickly that they wouldn’t be able to keep up with the mortgage, or no longer had any reason to live in that city because they were there only for the job. With the job gone, the need of the house in that city goes with it. I’m just speculating.
Honestly might just be that, especially if they were working in DC proper.
Well if he was renting, his house being up for sale wouldn’t really matter.
Trump crap was taken down on any neighbor’s homes (and there weren’t many) except one (and they have it kinda hidden) after 2020. Anyone supporting Trump at this point is an idiot, cruel, or both.
Agent Krasnov is, by ALL objective measures, the most prolific Traitor in American history. In fact, he has probably caused more damage than ALL other American traitors COMBINED.
At this point, anyone who still supports HitlerPig is as much an authentic traitor as he is. I only wish the very worst outcomes for them. Losing their jobs and homes is the mildest punishment they deserve.
I operate a business, and I havent had to hire anyone lately. But if I were, I would absolutely ask them who they supported for president in 2020 and 2024, which is perfectly legal. Anyone who voted for HitlerPig would be immediately, and rudely, be rejected. I won’t employ anyone with such obviously poor Critical Thinking Skills.
Trump support has been on full display in my area without interruption. “Don’t blame me, I voted for Trump” are the ones I’m keeping my eyes on the most, waiting for them to disappear.
It’s almost half the country though, he’s got like 46% of people approve of what he’s doing. I guess they’re just less in your face about it.
That isn’t true. Only 31% of adults voted for him vs 30% for Harris. The majority of adults didn’t vote because they didn’t like either candidate.
Oh it’s true.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating
Although more people disapprove than approve (a recent phenomenon), 46-48% of the American public APPROVE of his current actions.
It’s literally BAFFLING.
Is it really true, though? I suspect a lot of those people dont really like HitlerPig, but they are diehard Republicans, and will vote for ANY Republican they are presented with. The only reason they support Republicans so much is because they have been well-indoctrinated by the Conservative Propaganda Machine, and they don’t have the Critical Thinking Skills to reject even the most obvious propaganda. They have been taught more to HATE evil Democrats/Liberals than love Republicans. They arent really voting for the Republican candidate, they are voting AGAINST ANY Democrat.
This is a distinction without a difference. They still back his actions and assisted him in regaining power. I guess if it makes you feel better about them, hold onto that.
I don’t feel good about them at all, I think they are disgusting traitors. But if we are going to get past this terrible era of our history, we are going to have to properly identify the mechanisms that are twisting their weak minds, so that we can properly deal with the real psychological strategies that they are succumbing to.
Absolutely, but absolving them of responsibility for their choices is not the answer.
If 31% voted Trump, and 30% Harris, that leaves 39% not voting (minus the idk <1%? that voted third party), which is also not a majority. Plurality yes, but not the majority.
Far more voted for Harris, but there was massive voter fraud, purged voter rolls, disenfranchised votes, rejected votes, all provisional votes were rejected, and voting machines were hacked, probably by multiple parties (Musk, Russians, Chinese, perhaps others).
Now the Republicans get to laugh derisively at Democrats falling all over themselves questioning the directions and strategies that actually won the election, but had it stolen. Rather than question their direction, the Dems should be supporting massive governmental and private investigations into the massive Republican election fraud in the 2024 election.
If the Dems don’t get their shit together, and stop pretending the Republicans won "fair & square, " we can expect nearly every Congressional election to got to Republicans, and HitlerPig will win the 2028 election with 98% of the vote. He will use that enormous number to justify ignoring the Consitutional 2 term limit.
100%. The stop the steal J6 nonsense was all part of a bigger picture effort to steal '24. They made it so the Dems would look crazy and hypocritical for calling them out. I like to think there’s some grandiose plan to expose this and take them down, but then I just feel like a Qanon idiot. There is no way Trump blabbering about people eating dogs and cats convinced anyone to vote for him. Kamala wiped the floor with him in the debate, and he just looked like a lunatic his entire 2024 campaign. I know I live in a very blue area, but I find it hard to believe anyone with half a brain voted for him in '24. I know he has his die hards, but imo, anyone not full MAGA wasn’t voting for him, and the MAGAs are clearly a minority from what I’ve observed in my travels. It just doesn’t make sense.
Exactly. The fact that he decisively won EVERY battleground state is impossible. After HitlerPig gave his State of the Union address, the Dems sent out a Michigan rep who gave credibility to the concept that there were many voters who voted entirely Democratic, except for HitlerPig, and she said it with a straight face, like such people truly exist. They absolutely don’t.
There’s a bunch of things here. The claim is that an algorithm was used to switch those Dem ballots to R’s, but they only changed president and possibly Senate as well, not any other races. They are trying to crowdfund audits. They claim there was a similar data pattern to the Russian election that vastly expanded Putin’s power which was long thought to have been a sham election.
I feel like Elon and Trump have been moving so fast at trying to break everything because they don’t want to get caught, which is so much easier when you fire all the IGs and Cyber security and election security personnel. It is a straight up coup, this is not normal.
No, only 1.6% or whatever made the effort to reject both and vote for someone else. Anyone who didn’t vote were fine with either major party winning.
Trump was never on your side, now you’re finding out the hard way :|
oh they aint finding out
A Twitter checkmark? In 2025?
Kinda cheapens the post a bit.
You don’t need to be right wing/maga to post engagement-farming on Twitter.
A left wing liberal who gives money to the fascist in charge for a little blue dot is an idiot and a half.
I don’t disagree, but that left wing liberal is just trying to make easy money via engagement - just like the right wing grifters.
We really need a Herman Cain Award for Trumpers who have lost their livelihoods. I used to love the old compilations of dozens of posts only to have the inevitable “COVID ain’t no joke”.
Covid deniers when their opponent is covid
