Jesus Christ. Locking down this massive shit show.
More than anything I’m depressed by the precedent that this sets for the world on attitude and actions. He literally attacked and abused his way to the top. And a majority of Americans support it. Holy fuck.
Yep, we did it. We are Homer Simpson. D’Oh
This has gotta be fraud, there’s just no way America would choose a convicted felon over a woman… right?
- There’s no way any number of women would choose someone promising to curtail their medical rights.
- There’s no way any non-white would choose someone so racist
- There’s no way any immigrant would choose someone scapegoating their culture and promising to deport them even if they are citizens
- There’s no way anyone who has listened to his speeches would choose a gibberish idiot
- There’s no way anyone who witnessed the mess last time around would want to repeat it
- There’s no way anyone who older person would choose a known real estate grifter
- There’s no way a parent would choose anyone threatening their child’s future
I’m sure we could go on, but I just read an article that Trump did better than expected with every demographic except college educated women. How ?
The world: literally doesn’t care
Ah shit. c/all is full of US election stuff now. Give me a break, just tell me the result in january.
Looking at the bright side:
-no more vaccines (never liked needles anyway) -no more fluoride in the water (who likes nice teeth anyway, plus you can get fakes installed) -never need to vote for president again (think about how much time that’ll save) -no jan 6th revolt in 2025 (maybe they will just for fun though, who knows) -perhaps Trump can fill the remaining seats of the supreme court and get a properly conservative suite of justices -Elon Musk will be our super-cool tech daddy
- No more environment (hate the outside anyway)
- No more Ukraine (the weather in Kyiv sucks and I have a gluten allergy who needs grain anyway)
- More refugees into Europe (yeah Europe is totally prepared for that and won’t cause more fascists to win European elections)
- No more environment
That won’t be a problem. America will simply be towed outside the environment.
If only the front would fall off…
Yeah fascists in Europe turned out great the last time
Hey, maybe we in Europe will get to be the ones making a deal with the devil (Stalin then, Xi now) to get a red flag flying in the fascist capitol.
Better start working for some social points. I love surveillance cameras everywhere.
Lol we have Chinese police taking people away already. I’d also love chat control to go through. No fair that it’s only the US and the Chinese who get to dragnet the world, I want locally sourced fair trade repression. Gotta love this world.
That said, China has a lot of shit going on, but a credit system is not one of them. For example, they are actively trying to tamp down social (and physical) mobility. It’s a shit place right now, maybe it always was.
The only country I know that has a credit points system that decides a lot of the opportunities you get in life is the US.
There’s no such thing as an undecided voter.
They’ve either decided, or decided to do something bad and don’t want you to judge them.
0 empathy for americans. You deserve what you get for either not voting or voting the baffoon. Even dems deserve it for stupidly changing the candidate and AGAIN acting like they already won everywhere which makes people think “oh then I dont have to vote”
How about all of us who aren’t members of either party and just tried to stop Trump from getting into office? Zero sympathy for us too? Because I had nothing to do with any candidate that the Democrats chose. I just voted for Harris to stop Trump. And failed. But how is it my fault?
you all need to learn to distinguish between the people/the government/the country
My desperation is not foremost about sympathy for the US, but for the consequences for international politics.
This is certainly an enormous turning point for America, but it’s also a very dark day for the outlook of the future of… well basically everything.The continuation of our species on this earth are facing problems that are more complex than can be put into a slogan or a headline, and both Trump and his voters are to dumb to understand such matters. And that’s not said in hate or anger, it’s just an observable, testable fact that they’re literally unintelligent.
Yeah its terrible for everyone else. Especially Ukrainians, Taiwanese and Palestinians. Though the last group I feel less empathy for now since they called for not voting either so they are as responsible as Trump supporters.
I voted but I will still have to endure four more years of stupid self serving idiot.
I’m most afraid of all the hangers on plotting how best to expand their agenda. At least his first term had the incompetence to prevent some of his worst ideas but that may not be true this time.
My biggest fear is for the environment. Only the EPA and California are allowed to set environmental standards and the rest of us can only pick which to follow. Hopefully my state politicians will remain steadfast, but I have no way of supporting California when they come for the environment. If California can hold and the dozen or so that follow that remain true, maybe there’s still a hope for the environment my kids will live in
i dont think swapping biden out was a bad move. i think it could have been someone better though
Unfortunately my country loves to copy America in everything they do so we will be walking off the cliff soon too
Trump is not going to create a better economy. We’re gonna go into a recession and he’s going to blame it on democrats and COVID restrictions.
He’s going to increase immigration, lower wages due to cheap labor, and cause wages to go down. He said this and the retards that live in rural America think he’s going to benefit them. He’s going to reduce the power of Unions.
It’s clown world.
Yet what they’ll remember is the stock market skyrocketed
Clown country
It it bad that I think that’s a best case scenario? Things aren’t looking good.
We’re going back to child labor in factories and brood mares barefoot and pregnant. Trans and brown folks are going to have a real bad time. I’m a white dude and even I’m afraid of what’s going to happen
They’ve done it before and they’ll fucking do it again.
All these young new potential voters! A fresh wave of idiot!When Trump was first elected, it made me realize how stupid most of the US is. The results of this election were not surprising, I even linked to the sort of self-serving articles that preceded just before Hillary-Trump’s elections to people who were doing the same in this election. At least in this election, it’s sort of like Israel, they are leaving no doubt about who they support. I don’t even care if Kamala gets the popular vote, most criticize the electoral college word only and refuse to consider gerrymandering as electoral fraud, leading to it occurring in greater and newer ways this election.
Gerrymandering is clearly electoral fraud, but
- it’s not black and white. There’s no clear line between fraud and good
- the people benefiting the fraud are the ones in control of it
- gerrymandering does not affect presidential or senate elections
Why are americans so stupid and yet manage to export so much smart stuff from tech to podcasts to scientists. Is it some sort of dystopia where 1% rules, 20% live in a bubble and 79% are just brain dead idiots?
Yes.
Then there’s us smart ones who see what’s going on, but we’re outnumbered by idiots.
Why do people from Europe go and build monuments and luxury in Saudi Arabia?
Money. Same answer in the US.
The US is an oligarchy, as attested to by this Oxford study. To answer your question, mostly yes, hence places like “Silicon Valley” and institutions like the electoral college.
Interesting that was written in 2014… Before it was obvious it had all just gone to shit
It just wasn’t obvious to you.
An election was stolen in broad fucking daylight in 2000. That was the canary in the coal mine on election interference.
1-America imports smart people from all over the world.
2-Technical smarts and don’t-vote-for-fascism smarts are different.
Yeah but basically everyone I follow from podcasters to tech developers are all non-idiots and I assume their following are also mostly non-idiots. Where are all of these idiots hiding? The contrast between US soft power export and actual average americans is colossal.
Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the English speaking world. He has been consistently pro-Trump.
He has not been consistently pro Trump, he has harshly criticized Trump in the past. But now he’s an ass-kisser like Elon. Let’s see how well that works out for them. If they can keep daddy Trump happy at the expense of everyone else.
They’re populists.
They see which way a crowd is running and jump in front, shouting “follow me!”
Temporary criticism and yet he has endorsed Trump for three elections running.
You’re looking at and following your information bubble.
This is by design.
Yeah but almost every American I meet here traveling in SEA or Europe is a perfectly reasonable person.
Dunno I just am in such disbelief that my world experience doesn’t match reality at all. I even consider myself pretty well traveled with 20 years of experience traveling around the globe though admittedly I’ve never been to the USA yet and I fear I might not get to see Yellowstone or Big Sur ever at this point or do I even want to?
Kinda sucks to be a fan of US now ngl.
The more conservative you are, the less likely you are to travel. The less likely you are to be open to experiencing “them”.
When I went back to my high school reunion, I tried reconnecting with an old buddy of mine. I found it a little odd that his life seemed exactly the same as in high school, but eventually he admitted that he had never been more than about 50 miles from the town we grew up in. Never left the state, much less the country. Never left the surrounding rural cluster of towns. Never flew. Not even a road trip to a coast, amusement park or city. No changes in food from what he grew up with. No people different from him. What the everliving fuck?
If you go to the States as a tourist the chances are that you will be just fine, it’s the living there that increasingly sucks.
The people you meet while travelling are not the average people. The average American never travels to another state, let alone to other continents… Same is true for many people in many countries: Asians visiting Europe are top % of population in wealth and brains. It’s dissapointing and depressing but fox probably gives you a more true picture of average Americans than Americans you meet while travelling.
Yes I’m perfectly familiar with “survivors bias” but never seen it so extreme.
The podcasters you follow are not the mainstream in the US. Probably the majority of mainstream podcasters targeting men, were pro Trump in one way or the other. Either by inviting guests that were pro-Trump, or inviting quacks that are telling men that the left is taking away their masculinity.
I fear you may have hit the nail on the head
About 6 million fewer votes for Trump than last election, which is good, but it doesn’t matter since there are 18 million fewer votes for Harris than for Biden last election! Where were those 18 million people? It can’t be that all of them are in the “I don’t vote for genocide” camp. What happened?
It’s never been clearer that not voting gives the election to the Republicans.
The honest truth is that the Harris/Walz campaign did not motivate their voter base. People were talking about doing fucking vote swaps with people in swing states because they didn’t want to vote for Harris.
I have no idea what the fuck the whole “courting the right” angle was, but it failed. Maybe it was the stance on Gaza, maybe it was the stance on immigration, maybe it was just feeling spurned by the party for caring about alot of issues like trans rights Harris left to the wayside while campaigning, but it didn’t motivate people to cut through the bullshit and go to the polls.
Meanwhile, Trump stayed in the news 24/7, constantly doubling down on his rhetoric, and his voters mostly all turned out again.
I don’t know what the final turnout figures will be, but if it is a lower turnout, I can think of a few:
- 2020 was the easiest year to mail in a ballot ever, and it got harder again as states reinstated various difficulties with mail in ballots.
- So many people didn’t have to go into work in 2020, they had more flexibility to vote however they needed to do it.
Maybe sexism and racism are not isolated to the right wing, possibly a lot more in the centre than assumed. Maybe just enough in certain demos to affect turnout.
It’s weird because I even noticed this among liberals. The presidential candidates are always referred to by last name. But both times a woman tried to run, people referred to her as her first name whether you are conservative or liberal or what have you. I have found it a bit disrespectful tbh, and all sides have been guilty of this. The US will never elect a female president, let alone a female president of color. It’s bizarre.
maybe it’s just because that’s the more memorable/unique parts of their name?
trump/biden is much more distinctive than donald/joe
clinton could refer to both bill or hillary
obama/kamala is more memorable than barack/harris (though maybe for obama that’s just because I’ve heard ‘obama’ so many times)I’m not saying that’s definitely not true, just that there might be other reasons why
I suppose I could give it to you for Hillary Clinton because it could have been confusing wrt Bill. But with Harris, I’m not buying it. Both “Barack” and “Obama” are equally distinct to me. We have never had a president Harris before, so it’s plenty distinct enough. It’s not as though presidential candidates always have wildly distinct and uncommon names.
People did it with Obama too, he was “Barack” to some.
The US is a much more chauvinistic nation than many but it’s also by far and away the most violent nation in the industrialized world. The two are definitely linked.
If Biden hadn’t insisted on running despite his declining mental state, she wouldn’t have won a primary, not very likely anyway. She is uninspiring and she carries the baggage of the struggling/non-existent middle class, housing market, 12 million border crossings etc.
It’s not just the “I don’t vote for genocide” camp; there’s also the “can’t this fucker at least campaign properly” camp and the “I’m not voting for this right wing nonsense” camp, among others. Harris was just that bad at this.
So you’re saying people decided to avoid voting for right wing nonsense, and let Donald “Dictator on Day One” Trump win instead?
Exactly. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, but that is exactly what happened.
It’s easier to blame the voters than to blame the democrats for a miserable campaign
I blame both. The democrat party and the ones who didn’t vote.
Ƿ did it Pætcrik! Ƿ ſeıvd Pælistuın!
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We did it Patrick! We saved Palestine!
Uı æm roıld ƿið ðoz pıpėl, b u̇nfoṙtcunetlı, Ðı aṙ tu ſmal ė kėntindjint t hold riſpȯnſibilitı ðiſ tuım.
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I am roiled with these people, but unfortunately they are too small a continent to hold responsibility this time.
I have no idea what you are saying, I can’t read this.
Based thorns
ÞY
Drag respects the fact that assholes complained you weren’t writing everything in middle English, and you doubled down. You gave them exactly what they wanted and they’re furious. Great job.
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine explicitly called to boycott both candidates.
“Oh no, 18 million people stopped voting the Dems! Surely it’s the voter’s fault, not democrats being genocidal ghouls who can’t offer a shred of progressiveness!”
Ƿen ð ėðṙ tcoıſ wėz Trump? Yeſ, it z ð votṙ’z fu̇kıŋ falt.
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When the other choice was Trump? Ues, it *is, the voter’s fucking fault.
Wėt d Y kal ė teıbėl ƿið 1 Nazi and 18 votṙz n dIŋ enıþıŋ ėbaut ð Nazi?
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What do you call a table with 1 Nazi and 18 voters not doing anything about the Nazi?
Ė teıbėl wið 19 Nazis.
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A table with 19 Nazis.
Pſ, Uı’m ė Pæliſtinıen Y’ṙ lektcṙıŋ æt luık Uı cᵫd bı þeıŋkıŋ Y f helpıŋ t ſıl ð feıt v muı pıpėlz’ homlænd. Ƿen YS trupſ lænd t eıd ð ȯkyupeıcėn, Ƿ’l rimembṙ hu let ð mæn kėmændıŋ bæk i tcaṙdj, æ hau greıtfᵫl Ðı tȯkt ovṙ U̇ t ſeı Ƿ cᵫd bı!
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PS, I’m a Palestinian you’re lecturing st like I should be thanking you for helping to seal the fate of my people’s homeland. When US troops land to aid the occupation, we’ll remember who let the man commanding them back in charge, and how grateful they talked over us to say we should be!
No
Agreed.
The popular front are fucking idiots and the people who listened to them even more so. Do they not realize how much worse Trump is for Palestine? Israel named a settlement after him and he praised their attitude against Palestine. Americans are stupid af but I called it after Harris was made the candidate that Dems now gifted Trump the presidency.
Wake up. The elections happened. Now it’s PROVEN that running a campaign on genocide, on shaking hands with Dick Cheney, and on shitting on progressives, gets you horrible results if you’re a dem.
The popular front are fucking idiots
Please, white saviour, explain Palestinians how to liberate themselves while endorsing a candidate that openly supports their genocide.
The only one who openly supported their genocide was Trump who now won thanks to them. They will now see what a mistake that was. I feel better at least knowing they now are at fault themselves. I dont have empathy with those who voted Trump or didnt vote anymore. Feels bad for the actual palestinians in Palestine though. But the stupid front? Nah they digged their own hole.
The only one who openly supported their genocide was Trump
Funding Israel while talking of “the right of Israel to defend itself” seems pretty supportive of the genocide in my book.
Again, I’m sure you know better as a likely white American what to do about it than the literal PFLP.
Seeing as the pflp caused Trump to win they know absolutely nothing. And yes, Israel has a right to defend itself. So does every country. They dont have a right to commit genocide though.
Not all have been counted yet
They just called Wisconsin for Trump which puts him over 270.
Yeah but the point was about what turnout was. We know who won but it’s a bit early to discuss relative turnout compared to 2020. It is likely lower, but the specifics will be a while.
There’s no question turnout is lower. Both Trump and Harris received fewer votes than Trump and Biden last time around. Neither of them are inspiring. Yeah Trump has a base, but a lot of Republicans don’t like him but some still voted for him. Harris was uninspiring and had a lot of baggage from the last 3 and 1/2 years. She would not have won a primary in my opinion, if Biden hadn’t insisted on going for a second term initially.
It’s very strange to me that turnout is lower, purely because when I went out to vote there was a line goin out the building, which I have never seen before in my area
I am fucking gutted, I am so sad and angry and I don’t know what to do. I am overall a happy and positive person and believe in humanity but this win feels like it’s stripping me of a piece of that and I hate that! I hate that I feel so much hate right now, it’s exactly what I preach against, yet here I am. I can’t believe this is happening
That’s how I felt here in the UK when I woke up to see the majority voted for Brexit. Before that I thought people can’t be that dumb. Apparently they can.
I m an atheist but I pray for you , it will be only 4 years , hope you stay safe.
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I’m essentially an atheist too (I don’t even give it a label for myself because god and religion are just not a part of my life, and I don’t need them to be). And yet somehow I feel I have exponentially more compassion and value of morality than a large swath of these people voting in a monster, acting under the guise of being “good Christians”. Maybe I’m delusional, maybe I’m the one missing something, I don’t know. I still believe in humanity, but man I’m just sad right now. Anywho, I’ll take all the prayers and positive energy for everyone that I can get right now, so thank you
Ikr… I don’t even own a car, I walk to work, take the MRT everywhere etc. and the Americans are electing a president who says “Drill baby, drill”. I’m not an American, but it will affect us all… I live in Taiwan now and I’m fucking afraid of what his presidency will do to the geopolitical balance with China.
While I have no idea how to handle China’s ever bigger presence on the world stage, I know the spiteful antagonism is not it.
I feel as you. I wanted to believe we’re better than this.
