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The original was posted on /r/technology by /u/Wagamaga on 2025-04-19 17:06:58+00:00.
Musk really shot himself in the foot. He deserves it.
head next plz
I refuse to believe that it was over 50%
This is only electric car market share.
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Musk already got what he wanted. He bought Trump, and Trump will give Palantir every ounce of government data to analyze, which was likely a sticking point for Palantir to cement them as the only viable product for the US governments future military applications. Once pandoras box is open for classified data its a little bit hard to close it, especially once they gain a dependence on it.
Palantir then buys his crappy xAI platform that recently bought Twitter.
Keep it up Cali! FUCK EM!
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I work with what I gots
The new International Scout truck looks pretty cool thou
Another potential Tesla alternative to add to the list: https://www.telotrucks.com/
As an European i don’t understand at all those open trucks. The back side is completely wasted space, is unusable, stuff will get stolen when you park (or even at the traffic light), or will get soaked in rain. It also lowers aerodynamic efficiency. That one time in my life when i would need to move a fridge or a mattress i could just rent it for 3 hours
Much of America is rural, and pick-up trucks are extremely useful on a daily basis in that world. Then country music made it a metaphor for masculinity, and dopey suburbanites embraced it to enhance their personal brand image as tough guys.
I mean, you can always hook a trailer to a normal car or something like a Subaru Outback if you’re going off-road. That’s what people do here. Monday to Friday they commute in their normal, affordable, not extremely huge car and on Saturday the trailer comes out.
As an American I’ve never heard of a place so dangerous that things get stolen from the back at a traffic light. I know carpenters who leave all their tools in the back when they go to bed and never have a problem. Maybe you need to clean up the crime problem in your country. There are pros and cons to a van vs truck. That you come in on one side does not make the other side wrong, it just means you have lack of vision to understand theirs.
Have you ever tried to rent a truck? I know many people who tried and discovered the place was all out that day. Then when you find one read the fine print - often you cannot haul your fridge in one. Mean while because I own my truck it is there when I need to do something, no thinking required.
People stole the wheels off my wife’s car, in a lit parking lot, in one of the safest big cities in the US.
Yeah, you can’t leave your nice tools out in the back of your truck bed in most places.
I’ve driven a pickup truck for 20 years and never once had anything stolen out of it. “Safest big city” as a phrase strikes me similarly to “most comfortable chest wound.”
The wheels were the only “property loss” crime we’ve experienced in ~10 years living here. All the other crimes were landlords illegally withholding our deposits.
They sell 2 types of covers for the back that solve this. It really depends on what you’re doing. People that are camping or constantly working on projects need that kind of open setup.
Eh, my family camped frequently and reno’d/repaired multiple houses. I think the only time we used a truck was to take a bunch of bathroom tile scrap to the dump. Everything else was done with minivans or a club wagon.
Yeah, my dad was a carpenter and always picked a van over a truck any day.
Enough with the trucks and SUVs. I’m not buying an EV until I can get a 2 door sports convertible with rack and pinion steering and double wishbone suspension. I don’t want to drive a tank of a vehicle with vague, floaty handling. I want a small, light, and nimble EV that’s fast as fuck and corners like a dream. For under $30K USD.
It is hard to get a light EV when the batteries themselves are around 1/10 the energy density of gasoline and people want them to have a longer range than a gas car to make up for charging so you end up with a battery that’s 500-1000lbs. To put that into perspective a Miata weighs around 2000lbs
A small block V8 weights 680lbs. While there are larger engines, that is still a big engine, most cars have much lighter engines. Transmissions have some weight too, So do electric motors.
Look at Telo, their “truck” is the size of a Mini Cooper but with a full 8 ft bed. And it seats 5. That’s incredibly compelling.
It’s actually the one pickup style truck that might actually be viable in Europe.
Personally, being from Europe, I’m not sure why we would need a pickup truck. I get it, insane tax reasons somehow are making those monstrosities quite popular in the Netherlands for example, but you never see the beds used.
For the same reason people need SUVs, for moving large amounts of stuff around. In my case I would just throw the bike in the back rather than having to faff around laying all the seats flat and then having to put down the tarpaulin so they don’t get dirty.
I could get a van but then I’ve got a stupid van with all its limited visibility. A pickup truck would actually solve the problem if it weren’t for the fact that all the manufacturers are American and seem to think that they need to rival the size and weight of a tank.
Vehicles are expensive. Having one for each need is expensive. Renting is expensive (and renting typically comes with no using it as a truck restrictions). If you need a bed for 2% of trips it is often far cheap to own and drive a truck for everything. Particularly if you can use the bike for a lot of trips that makes just owning a truck for everything compelling if you must have a car.
Agreed, but needing the truck for truck stuff 2% of the time is waaaaaay over the typical truck usage. I think most people who have trucks actually do “truck stuff” with them 0.2-0.0% of the time, and in that case, regular car, wagon, or van is a better all around option.
That’s 3 seats too many. And I rather have a hatch than a bed.
I think you can fold down the back seats to get a bit more space.
But 5 is nice. I have kids, and they like to come with to the dump or hardware store. I currently do those trips in the minivan, this would be a bit more comfortable.
…my mazda 2 outhandles my MX-5s and is the only car i’ve driven which keeps pace with my elise; we’ve been waiting for an electric subcompact hatchback for about ten years now but the stateside market keeps doing everything it can not to offer me one…
I’m rocking a kei truck for landscaping and home reno projects, and it still uses more gas than I’m happy with. I’d love for someone to make an electric truck that isn’t a massive behemoth intended to prove something about my masculinity. Just give me a clean energy box bed to haul my lumber and dirt.
So much this. Closest we get seems to be a Prius. :(
if the Prius were 2 ft longer in the back, I’d buy one
A station wagon would be nice to see as well for a family hauler.
Oh neat, this is basically an electric Kei truck. The front looks a little weird with the wheels so far forward. Reminds me of a golf cart. I can’t really complain though, I’d love a small practical truck.
Im personally looking forward to Edison EV conversions.
The ability to take a vehicle I already have and turn it into an EV or hybrid would be amazing.
I know they’re a while from full production, but I see that as a win. So many of these EVs are having quality issues because they’re being shit out onto the market as fast as humanly possible. I’d rather a company actually take the time to do R&D, test things thoroughly, and then release a product.
The biggest issue with an EV conversion is the weight of the batteries. For a lot of passenger cars, adding 500kg of batteries maxes out or even exceeds the vehicle’s gross weight.
These conversions replace the entire drivetrain so you’d be losing the weight of the V8, transmission, transfer case, and drivelines and replacing them with a little 4 cylinder engine, generator, and batteries.
Considering that even the hybrid cars made by car manufacturers themselves are heavier than their ICE counterparts, I don’t think that by retrofitting an older car you’ll get a better result.
For example, 2024 Hyundai Tucson curb weights:
Heaviest ICE: 3663 lbs
Lightest hybrid: 3692 lbs
Lightest plugin hybrid: 4115 lbs
A hybrid has all the same ICE components with the addition of the generator and battery pack so it’s not surprising that it would be heavier than the pure ICE counterpart. These kits will be replacing old iron block engines (along with the other aforementioned drivetrain components) with a small aluminum engine and generator. Even if they are a bit heavier, these are old trucks with poor aerodynamics where a few hundred pounds isn’t going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things.
Huh, I didn’t think it was possible to out-ugly the cybertruck
It’s no worse than some of the stuff Nissan has come out with over the years. Remember the cube?
The problem with the Tesla truck is that it is ugly without purpose, all the other oddly designed vehicles look the way they do because they have a particular unique feature (been small, having sliding minivan doors on a vehicle otherwise two small for them, having gull wing doors, removing a-pillars from the design, etc), but the cyber truck just looks like that to be contrarian.
Nah, for sure, I don’t disagree, I just saw the opportunity for a dumb low effort oneliner, lol.
It may be ugly, but it’s tiny and very functional. I’m very tempted to make that my commuter and occasional hauling stuff vehicle.
And you wouldn’t be supporting a Nazi in doing so! I’d support you in your goofy lil EV truck.
In Europe Tesla isn’t even #1 on EV anymore, they have been surpassed by VAG aka Volkswagen Group.
Depending on how you compare, they are probably a little bit more expensive, but also higher quality.but also higher quality
That’s a low bar.
The shits my kid dumped on his diaper when he was a baby cleared out rooms. They were also of higher quality.
hur, hur, you said VAG
Glad I’m not the only full grown child reading the thread
Not that kind, we know because Elon hasn’t propositioned it
This belongs in uplifting news
0% would be uplifting. This is still way too many people supporting a piece of shit.
Too true.
Good.
The Bay Area is probably the only thing keeping that company alive. Every stoplight you pull up to there has at least a couple Teslas
I’m outside Boston and I see a lot here as well…
I know a lot of people who bought teslas before musk became a full blown oligarch and feel uncomfortable about it
Supports a literal Oligarch Nazi
Feels uncomfortable about it
Doesnt do anything about it
Sounds about right for America in 2025.
Realistically though what are they going to do about it? They probably can’t sell the vehicle because of the now stigma attached to it and if they don’t sell it they probably can’t afford a new car.
Nowadays? Yeah y’all missed the bus. The time to do something about this was several years ago, when Tesla’s atrocious build quality was becoming publicly apparent and Musk was inserting himself into every news story in the worst ways possible.
“Pedo guy” comment in 2018 was the first major wake up call to most people who weren’t paying attention.
Acquisition of Twitter in 2022, and the major fuckery involved with that, should have rung the bell for anyone left behind.
At either of those times you still could have sold a Tesla to a Maga chud and still come out on top. Now you’re just stuck holding a bag. And my concern for said bag holders is relatively minor because people who really can’t afford a car are still driving 20 year old Hondas and Toyotas and Buicks. If you bought a Tesla new (and yes, it was bought new, because a used market did not exist at the time) you have car money. Buy an $8k beater, used, like the rest of us do.
They just weren’t paying attention then because Musk has always been exactly that.
Do you look up every owner of the manufacturer of everything you buy? I agree he has been this way for a while. But people buy cars for transportation. Not for their owners.
Like the other guy said, Elon Musk is public about his shittiness. In the beginning didn’t even care about him, and yet I couldn’t escape him because he was constantly on the news.
I am not denying that Elon is shitty. But people don’t buy cars based on their manufacturing owners. There is a need and they are fulfilling that need. Should they have known? Probably. But it’s also not a usual requirement for purchasing a car.
Well, if you go back to my original comment, all I said was that Tesla owners were clearly not paying attention to even their News notifications on their phones, since Musk’s presence is ubiquitous. Tesla’s multitude of issues is equally as well-known.
That said, I didn’t wish anybody any harm for buying a Tesla, although they probably will get harmed when the “self-driving” feature inevitably sends them speeding into a brick wall.
But buying that garbage car was their choice.
True, but most CEOs are unknown to consumers, only to employees and share-holders. Usually there is a “culture” of a company that is a blend of PR, advertising, marketing, etc. Here Musk became associated with the brand though. Tesla existed before Musk and worked well… but was nowhere near a popular. I hate Musk yet I feel it’s fair (and please if you have data showing I’m wrong, do share, I’d love to remove any wrongful attributed credit from him) to say he made Tesla enormously more popular than before he invested in it. So… you are right in most cases people buy cars, and other products, without knowing about the CEO but that specifically does not apply to Tesla where the hype precisely came from a self branded as IronMan.
I’d sell that shit at a loss.
Any car is sold at a loss. As someone who recently paid one of these off, I can’t stomach a new car payment in the face of our melting economy because six years ago I didn’t foresee the head of a car company turning out to be a freaking nazi.
Considering my Tesla replaced a VW TDI, I’m feeling particularly salty and completely disillusioned about ethical consumption under capitalism, etc. etc. I wish people on Lemmy could have some empathy and not just assume that everyone driving a Tesla is sanctioning anything that Elon Musk does.
No one cares when you bought. You’re supposed to flood the used Tesla market to suppress new sales happening NOW.
I’ve heard a lot of excuses from Tesla drivers about how they can’t afford to stand for their ethics. It’s pathetic. How are we to believe this from anyone who could afford one in the first place?
Plot yourself on the historical spectrum of “what was I willing to give up for my ideals” and that brave moral stand about not having a car payment looks pretty fucking limp.
I have empathy for you. I’m just more concerns with your soul than your car payment.
people on Lemmy could have some empathy and not just assume that everyone driving a Tesla is sanctioning anything that Elon Musk does.
Costs 1 EUR and takes 10sec to put a sticker on a Tesla that says “I bought this before Elon went mad” and plenty of people on Lemmy would understand I bet. It’s more of a gesture to show that one having a Tesla does not support the actions of the its CEO. A Tesla without even a sticker on is assumed to be owned by someone who knows yet either does not care or even supports Musk.
I understand not being in a financial position to buy a new car (though Telsas are expensive, I’m sure you could trade it in for something and still avoid a new payment).
Anyway, the good news is if you can’t afford to change cars “Fuck Elon” bumper stickers are very cheap!
I’m currently driving that VW TDI – best car I’ve ever owned in 35 years. Next vehicle wasn’t going to be a Tesla, but perhaps an F150 Lightning if they ever get their head out their asses and offer a regular old e-pickup – I don’t want quad cab and a short bed, just two doors and a regular full size bed would be great. Alas, that’s hard to find in ICE, let alone electric.
That emissions cheating soured me on them
(Though I do believe they used a clever method)
Glad it’s so good!
The dumbest part is that after I got my car updated (the Passat only needed a firmware update) the fuel economy was not even one MPG worse. It’s been a decade and I’m still regularly getting slightly better than 50MPG on the highway and low-30s in the city. There was no reason to cheat.
No way!
Was the cheat focused on the rest of the fleet (larger cars?), but applied to all [JIC]? 🤔
50+ wao
He was a boldfaced liar six years ago, too. You fell for the “full self driving by 2016” scam and the other false claims and fabrications.
We did not purchase full self driving. My husband rightfully thought that it was a bit of a pipe dream. I’m too much of a control freak to allow a car to drive for me. Also six years ago was 2019 so if you think I fell for “full self driving by 2016” then I think you can’t do math.
Are you suggesting that full self driving was fully implemented by 2019? Because it’s 2025 and it’s still not ready. How have I failed at math?
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That’s assuming a lot. I wanted a car that was fast, electric, had easy charging, good range, and didn’t cost $100,000. 5 years ago, that was a Model 3.
Didn’t give a shit about Musk’s lies, always knew he was full of it and was a typical scumbag CEO; I did not peg him as someone to go full on Nazi mode.
If you knew then that he was a liar, then I really don’t see how you can complain about it now. You evidently knew which business you were getting into.
To whom though
Aquaman.
Carvana, carmax, etc.
I did
I cant wait till we start seeing them with all the conspicacy-nut writing all over them but the other way around:
Vaccines work, fuck musk, lgbt rights are himan rights etc.i also wonder what people in cali are thinking when they bought the cybertruck, because i seen quite a few to them. i noticed they try to obscure the windos,s o people dont know that are driving it.
When they’re up for renewal, they won’t be replaced with Teslas.
Well, less than 50% will, maybe. Still a lot of people buying shitty cars apparently.
…and even those are likely pre-ElonSeigHeil purchases.
Even in iowa you see them all over. There are so many drivers any car make other than the most exclusive will be seen soon if you fixate on it (read look).
Stastics show tesla is a tiny brand by market share. However they are wer the only ev brand until reciently so people focus on them.
And that’s really the only reason I have one - it was the only long range electric car available when I bought it. Now I would choose any of the many other options first.
I’d be curious about why you haven’t taken the moral stance and sold it.
What’s going on in America needs people to take actual steps. Votes aren’t enough anymore.
I don’t pay Tesla for the vehicle (I don’t even supercharge), so it doesn’t actually affect their bottom line if I sell it. Buying a new car does affect my bottom line though.
Boycotts are only effective when they change purchasing behaviors, and this purchase is long done. I do encourage everyone who asks if I like my car to look into specific alternatives instead however.
Fair enough. All the best dude.
Tesla has basically only two models and even those two look quite samey, one is just more bloated, ao ofc you see them everywhere
I see a cyber truck almost every day. It makes no sense. They aren’t even like the same one.
Just imagine if there wasn’t a crazy tariff on Chinese cars the figure would be even lower. BYD are making some great cars
BYDs are everywhere now in Australia. Not sure what alternative brands are available in the US, is it just Rivian?
And other Chinese brands!. The MG4 is super popular in Australia too. Can get it for about $38k AUD ($25k USD).
Even if Tesla wasn’t tarnished by association with Musk, they have absolutely nothing at the budget end of the market. ie for buyers that traditionally bought corollas, little Mazdas and Hyundai’s.
And BYD has the whole range, if I want a luxury sedan the BYD Seal goes toe to toe with the model 3.
I think China is going to eat everyone’s lunch here in the same way Japan did in the 70s/80s, and Korea went in even cheaper in the 90s and 00s (how many Hyundai Excels/Accents were there in Australia in late 90s early 00s).
Are you asking if Rivian is the only company besides Tesla selling electric cars in the US?
No, nearly all major manufacturers sell EVs. Something like 25 brands.
Edit: although a few of those may still only be selling plug-in hybrids. I know Alfa Romeo is one, for example.
On the more affordable end around here I see a lot of electric cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Kia, and Hyundai around here, and to a lesser extent Volkswagen. On the high end it’s mostly Mercedes-Benz and BMW, sometimes Porsche. Once in a while I’ll see Rivian but they don’t have a dealership in our state. Even more rarely I’ll see Polestar, which does have a dealership in a city at the other end of the state, and at least one person here has a Lucid Air.
Edit: also on the high end, there’s at least one Hummer EV driving around here.
Polestar is Chinese
Depends on where you are in California I guess. I see more Rivians here than Cybertrucks.
I believe there was a 100% tariff in place pre-Trump meltdown on Chinese EVs in the U.S, making them less viable in that market. The EU also tariffs them heavily, which is quite a pity.
The EU also tariffs them heavily
Yes, to tip the scales back towards fair competition pricing by offsetting the subsidies the Chinese brands are getting from their government. It doesn’t fully offset it though, they’re still quite a lot cheaper than e.g. VW BEVs
And chinese EVs are still competitive in the EU. Tafiffs are effective, and can be positive, to prevent dumping and stuff, just not across the board.
Rivian & the 2 or 3 models the big manufacturers have. I see way more hybrids than full electrics in my area.
rivian isnt even that widespread , and they are still testing some models. i can see them going for IONIQ 5, maybe mercedes, or bmw.
Ford has at least one now, I think VW does as well
Ford has 3, the F-150 Lightning and the unfortunately named Mustang Mach-E, and the E-Transit van I think is primarily for commercial customers.
the mercedes one is i used by amazon delivery.
after what he has done to californias fast rail system, with the hyperloop scam, he deserves much more. he kept it long enough until trumps admin blocked any funding for it, through ELAINE CHAO.
California has done enough to kill that proejct even without Elon/Trump. For the amount of time and money invested they should be operating the entire line from San Diego to Oregon as of a few years ago.
These guys are FAKE NEWS and Need to be DEPORTED for Hurting ELON MUSKS FEELINGS!
I have duly upvoted your obvious sarcasm.
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