Welp…
Split the Republican party bro. That’ll really own the libs.
Bro as a lefty I’m so scared of this America Party bro. Like we really won’t be able to beat them frfr. If republicans have the Trump Party and the America Party it’ll be like they’re twice as strong. They definitely won’t just start taking sides and splitting the vote so that their already fake “majority” completely falls apart. And the muskrat definitely wouldn’t be dumb enough to try to rig an election so his puppet candidate beats a Trump Party candidate prompting Dump or SCOTUS to crack down on election rigging. That would never in a million years happen bc the America Party is gonna totally be the people’s party bro
/s just in case
Nazis. They’re Nazis. This is Nazis.
It’s Musk so he’ll probably rebrand them as NaXis.
Maybe enough MAGAts will join him that it will split the vote and it will get easier to get people with basic human decency elected. That is assuming we continue to have elections.
The only good thing of that is that the otherwise shitty FPTP system will make him and Trump go for each others throat.
“America Party”
Americans really are the ultimate parody of themselves. Have fun with your civil war.
The “America Party”, started by a Nazi African. What a wild thing.
Not just the USA or even just North America. It’s apparently a party for South America as well!
Tbf assuming South America is just kinda ours to mess with or else just forgetting about it is a pretty common thing for the US to do, it tracks
A bunch of Nazis escaped to South American countries after WW2. I’m sure they low key raised more baby Nazis.
splitting the nazi vote
Yeah FR this is literally the best thing that could have happened for the USA simply because of spoiler effect.
This whole thing leaves such a sour taste that he should have called it a lemon party.
How many weeks before he gets bored and abandons it when things don’t immediately work, just like everything else in his useless life?
unlike rockets or cars, political party success in America is measured in dollars
He already bought himself an entire department with no oversight but got bored of it after a few months.
In 1962, Congress created the role of “special government employee,” which allows the executive branch, the legislative branch and independent federal agencies to bring on employees for specific roles on a temporary basis.
SGEs are limited to working for the government for no more than 130 days out of a 365-day period, though they can work multiple years, and they can either be paid or unpaid. NPR has reported that Musk is not being paid for his work with DOGE.
If you’re just going to copy and paste from an NPR article, you might as well provide a link while you’re at it.
He didn’t make it to 130 days. He never mentioned that. Also, the law does not constrain this administration. He got bored when he didn’t immediately become loved and gave up like the little baby he is. Stop giving these bumbling oligarchs the benefit of the doubt and a veneer of legitimacy. You are an active part of the problem when you do.
I just want to remind anyone thinking that this is a good thing because it will siphon off voters from the Republican Party - Elon Musk is only doing this because Trump cut the EV mandate from the Big Bullshit Bill and didn’t appoint his guy to NASA. No matter what he says about spending or debt ceilings, he doesn’t care about any of it and was in the loop the entire time that legislation was being crafted. He’s still only in this for himself, just as he was when he gleefully threw a Nazi salute on stage thinking he just got everything he could ever want when he bought the president his office.
He can be in it for himself, and it can still be a good thing for us
Sure, that’s fine, I just don’t want people to lose sight of the bigger picture here. Musk is not an altruist. He’s not the good guy all of a sudden. He didn’t grow a conscience after falling out with Trump.
If this political party ever gets off the ground, which it probably won’t, Musk will always have a controlling interest in it. He will never ever let the party move away from enabling and enacting his agenda, and his alone. He doesn’t give a single shit or a wipe about helping Americans. He wants to protect his fortune by taking control of the government apparatus to end regulations or investigations that impede the companies he is in charge of. That’s it.
I certainly hope that Democrats will see this for the nakedly transparent political maneuver that it is, and not get swept up in the idea of a 3rd party founded and controlled by a billionaire will bring any kind of meaningful change to the system. And I believe they will - we rejected Bloomberg and Steyer in 2020 because they were out-of-touch billionaires who tried to buy their way into the party, and I think that Democrats are not so easily fooled by the obvious bad faith rich cunts who try to buy their way into the public zeitgeist. I just worry that people will see this move by Musk as “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and shift closer to his values as a result. He might be the enemy of your enemy, but he’s still an an enemy as far as I’m concerned.
Nobody who actually cares about others thinks Musk is the good guy. This is strictly an evil vs. evil situation.
This isn’t what anyone is celebrating.
They don’t think for a second that Musk will do anything positive.
What they’re hoping for is republicans to split somewhere near the middle, some in support of MAGAts and some in support of Musk, which could lead to more people voting for a democrat than a republican. Votes that would have gone toward a MAGAt will go to Musk. That is the prayer.
As much as I fucking hate Musk, he does understand two things:
- EVs will never be the mainstream without federal and state project support
- Funneling money from the government to billionaires is the worst thing for an economy
What I find fucking mind-blowing is that this idiot is selling a shoddy EV and solar product at premium costs to other idiots, but very much aligned with Democrats on the two points above. Not only did he back the wrong horse, he straight up accidentally got on the wrong horse, and rode it threw towns away from where he was living very comfortably.
Now this fucking moron needs to invent new ways to make Tesla appealing to the “normies” because nobody is buying his bullshit stalling tactics or premium pricing for sub-par products.
I’ve got my popcorn ready, but the siphoning of votes away from Trump is just the butter on top.
I dont see how you can draw that conclusion for item 2. He claims to care about the deficit, not funelling money to billionaires. Belive me, he would have you living under a bridge eating gruel before he would touch anything that affects his wealth.
- EVs will never be the mainstream without federal and state project support
in not sure about that… imo EVs would be relatively comparable if ICE vehicles and oil didn’t have massive subsidies at every stage from governments… more if negative externalities were properly accounted for
or maybe not: in australia we have a fuel excise and EV credit and they’re still pretty expensive relative to ICE
I know you meant internal combustion engine, but it gave me a pause because I thought you were talking about ice agents
i absolutely agree and considered using a different phrase but it’s been the phrase to use for fossil fuel powered cars for so long i decided they don’t get to exclusively steal it
I think total cost of ownership is lower for EVs for people that have reasonable electricity rates and can charge at home, but that’s a tougher sell and most people aren’t even sure that it will work out unless they try it.
EV’s only become popular when cheaper. It’s a fact.
Not everyone lives in areas where solar installs at ean option. The offset doesn’t make sense when you go north or south of the globe where the sun don’t shine.
Not sure I agree with point #2 - I’d be willing to bet he would love to funnel some of that sweet tax money into his own pocket, but he doesn’t want it in the form of tax breaks for income earners, he wants it in the form of EV subsidies for Tesla, which Trump denied him by cutting the EV tax incentive from the spending bill. I don’t think he even acknowledges that tax breaks for billionaires are bad for the economy, just that the big bullshit bill is bad for him specifically.
On everything else, though, I agree wholeheartedly. His brand is toxic now, and without being able to sell a sub-par product at dirt-cheap prices, he’s going to get a heavy dose of reality when consumers reject his rolling coffins in favor of cheaper alternatives.
If course you don’t. That’s why you side with Trump. The fact that “trickle down economics” has been disproven time and time again means nothing to you folks.
Huh? Did you reply to the wrong person? Because I don’t side with Trump. Check my comment history.
I hope this becomes big enough to split the right-wing vote. I wish him all the success possible.
Until right before the election he concedes and his voters go republican.
Doesn’t seem terribly likely to me for Musk to concede before the election. There’s still something to gain from it being public knowledge how many voted for you last election. This did happen recently in BC, Canada though, where the established conservatives bowed out at the last minute to give votes to the new far-right party.
Well not all the success possible…
I’m not sure if I want this to fail or succeed.
Hopefully it has success at breaking us from our failed two party system, while at the same time the party itself fails (and costs him lot of money in the process).
We’ll need ranked choice (or some other voting scheme other than First Past The Post). Otherwise it’ll just end up the same as it always has.
Need new rules in House and Senate, too. The majority party gets majority in all the committees, gets to pick all the committee chairs, etc. All of the current non-D/non-R members ‘caucus’ with one of the major parties, making them de facto members of that party. A third party with enough representation to block the other two from gaining majority would almost certainly end up in an alliance with one, leaving us back with functional two-party politics.
I’ll gladly accept a reactionary centrist spoiler party into the mix. Especially if it coincides with the Clinton wing of the DNC losing its ability to maintain its grip on power.
Elon Musk, the neonazi, centrist?
Obviously, they’re nothing centrist about this guy (besides, perhaps, his perceived position in the universe). They are, in fact, reactionaries, so definitionally right wing. But they believe they are splitting the difference between the Stalinist left (exemplified by the NYT) and the fascist right (unbeknownst to them, them).
What is the “Clinton wing” of the DNC?
The Dems who, since the shock of the Reagan revolution, swore off having a political project beyond “don’t make it worse” but accidentally foreclosed on making things better in the process. More recently, they’ve been heard saying things like “nothing will fundamentally change” in the face of a political situation that is very different from 40 years earlier.
Basically all the powerful Dems since Bill Clinton. Groups like the Democratic Leadership Council. They’ll poo poo ideas that regularly poll at 80% support across all parties, then spend all their political capital barely carrying a compromise position with 48% support across the finish line.
I really hope that we’re reaching a tipping point where people who believe in a better world and pursue policies to bring it about can have sustained political success
Same as it ever was. Same. As. It. Ever. Was
Yes, and without it, any third party struggles to take hold. This new party could make ranked choice voting a bipartisan(tripartisan?) issue since they would need it to survive unless they really think they can just yank all of the R votes their way.
Breaking the US from the failed 2-party system would require replacing first-past-the-post voting with at least ranked choice, if not a proportional system like Hare-Clarke, and probably scrapping the Electoral College altogether. Which may require constitutional amendments, or at least a partisan Supreme Court sympathetic to more democracy that would Chewbacca-defence it through regardless of legality.
No it won’t. Nothing musk does is in good faith. Fuck his party, and fuck anyone who supports it.
I’m smelling Musk’s typical brand of vaporware.
Pretty sure they hoped something similar about Hitler.
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Best case scenario is it will split the right wing vote. In Canada, we’re used to it going the other way with conservatives taking advantage of a split left.
Washington Post columnists said it would probably just capture the “Never Trumper” moderate Republican voters who currently begrudgingly vote Democratic because they understand that the Republican Party is nominating only yes-men and fascists.
Washington Post isn’t exactly a beacon of truth and justice.
Especially not their opinion column but I’m just posting here because it’s interesting to see what the neoliberals think about it and it’s a good discussion point
Washington Post is Murdoch connected as of December 2023 (new leader and Bezos began to flex his muscles at the paper). I hesitate to call it neoliberal. It’s moved right of that.
If you actually bother to read it (regularly, not just once or twice on selected columns that you saw posted online), you would not think that. The opinion column is very neoliberal with a hint of libertarianism.
I was an active subscriber who regularly read WashPo.
Ruth Marcus, Alexandra Petri and a whole slew of other liberals have left the post after the 2024 election and various tampering by Jeff Bezos. Or have you not noticed the change of writers yourself??
The ones who remained are hardly NeoLiberal, but overall have shifted farther and farther right. Jeff Bezos killing a few key OpEds have made it clear to the liberals that they are no longer welcome at the Washington Post.
Or what? You gonna try to convince me that Hugh Hewitt is a liberal or some shit?
The Dems leaned hard on the never Trumpers for votes last year and you can see where that got them. Elon can have them.
Republican never Trumper that doesn’t vote GOP is likely vanishingly small. They all fall in line.
It might siphon off the GOP voters that begrudingly fell in line because they bought the Communist Kamala or something, or the ones that needed to see Trump disaster a second time.
And why would Bezos say otherwise?
Same with the USA, the US Green Party is funded by Conservative PACs such as Badger Values. If there were left unity then the 8 million people who showed up for Biden 2020 would have shown up for Harris 2024, but a lot of people are convinced the DNC aren’t left enough and that primary elections are shams.
I want him to split the GOP vote. Basically just a Jill Stein that believes his own swill.
Yeah…
At best, it splits the MAGAt vote, making Dems a clear winner.
At worst, it takes some GenZ dipshit votes away from Dems and causes chaos.
Gen z men are already voting republican
Dumb little bastards, voting against their own interests
Cut the age blame crap. They did nothing different than the rest of our society. Don’t let our generations fall for the same tactics as the generations before us. Our war needs to be a class war, not some stupid “young people are lazy nowadays” bullshit that EVERY high horse ignorant person has said for the last 200 years. Do the youth a favor and look upon anyone who singles them out and trys to separate us with disgrace. Respect is a 2 way street. Let’s be better
You youngsters will blame the next generation as well. You just aren’t old enough to see the pattern yet.
I think your beef should be with all men then. As Trump voters increased in men by age. So you could factually say Gen Z men were the least likely to vote for Trump as well
All/most of them, or a few mediagenic alt-right examples the press can trot out as proof of “young men want fascism and Latin Mass” when they run out of MAGA-hatted Ordinary Americans in flyover-state diners?
You should check those numbers, because it went 51% to Harris. Splitting that means good things for Dems though. Dilution through stupidity.
Is it bad that I just expect a split Right-wing vote just allows the Dems to slide even more right and still win?
If it splits the republican party and removes the old white billionaires from the dems than I’m 100% for it.
Success means a split of the Republicans, because the vast majority of Dems aren’t going to follow Elon after these last few months.
I want this to succeed wildly.
I want it to split republicans and have both of them spectacularly fail elections.
Is it splits the Republican vote, I’m all for it
I think it already has.
I want this to succeed in the destruction of both the GOP and Just in.
Yes.
I fail to see how splitting up the fascists is anything but a good thing. Let them fight.
Yeah, this seems like it may actually be some good news in this endless sea of shit we’ve been in. But the chances of it actually going anywhere are pretty slim.
True that. Although in a would be tri-party system, so in case this new party gains somewhat reasonable backing, it gains significant bargaining power over the much bigger parties because it would likely hold keys to majority vote. So it might just become much greater than its apparent size… But yeah, I doubt much anything comes out of this.
Liberals hate musk and won’t vote for his party. Split the stupid vote and watch Dems win unwinnable races. If he pulls that off for 2 election cycles you might even see Republicans go in on ranked choice voting.
Has he filed any paperwork? Gathered any signatures?
Didn’t think so. It’s just typical Elmo Skum: hurricane force hot air scented with billionaire quantities of bovine effluvia.
I’ll just point out the risk of what I’ll call “Joe Roganing” here. Elon pretends he hates both parties while there’s no election coming up. Then when the election arrives he “makes up his mind” and endorses Republicans. This allows him to 1) attract people fed up with both parties just to hand them to Republicans, and 2) have a credible that that forces Republicans to do his bidding.
Absolutely this and I like that term “Joe Roganing”.
The America Party run by a South African.
Popcorn is not enough for this country.
of all the things to shit on him for this isn’t it. being multi cultural is the only culture we have and almost all of us are immigrants.
I shit him for the name of the Party, not being South African.
White rich South African are devoid of culture just like every other rich profligate. They have no nation, creed, or ideals just an insatiable avarice.
That’s not true, the Musk family have a rich culture and long history of…
*checks notes
Supporting white supremacy and trying to overthrow democracy in several nations.
If it’s an insult to that crowd then it’s worth rubbing it in, and it certainly is.
I did nazi that coming.
The neo-Nazi saluting bastard wants a political party? F-him and strip him of US citizenship for illegally working in the USA.
If anyone has a chance to create another party. AOC and Mamdani.
A white South African dude created the American Party
ffs did somebody step on a bug in 2015 and change the whole timeline?
I’m thinking of doing a Ghost Dance to bring Harambe back
Is there anything more American than aliens claiming to be the true Americans?
The funniest thing about stuff like this is that there are already a hundred political parties in the US. Every time someone says “we need a third party,” it reminds me of that xkcd comic about standards and protocols.
When people say that they want a third part I doubt they mean it literally, as in they believe there are literally only two parties, but rather I suspect they mean that they want a third party which is large and influencial.
Sort of. They usually mean it literally, but it’s rooted in the misunderstanding of the political system that most folks have. And I don’t blame them for this, I just find the grandiosity amusing.
Situation: There are 15 competing political parties
Exactly!
That is a ridiculous comparison. More political parties are a good thing.
They would be, if the political and electoral system supported it.
Which is obviously not the case in the US.
I think the opportunity is better this time around.
Democrats and Republicans secured a two party system and locked everyone else out because of a few things:
- Finances and resources.
- Media coverage. During debates, they had secret handshake deals to only argue against each other, which forces media to only cover them.
Musk got resources. He spent a lot to get Orange Man in power. And TV and news is already lower on the trust scale, as the population leans towards social media.
There’s a few other issues like local/state elections that won’t be friendly to non-Democrat/non-republican parties.
Of course, this is all a pipe dream and like the libertarian party, it’ll quickly get thrown aside and the politicians will fold into one of the two parties.
Do you think there’s any chance that Musk can break whatever is formally boxing out other parties? It seems like just by being who he is right now in history, he could break things.
We need to hope he breaks the current norm in a way that doesn’t put him in power, and opens things up for proper multi-party elections in the future. That’s a lot to hope for though, I guess.
When I think about this, I can imagine Musk fans telling tales of his 4D chess moves and how his plan all along has been to overhaul and improve elections. Or some other bullshit.
Outsourcing your revolution to the billionaire oligarch has to be one of the takes of all time.
Me: Can we have Lenin?
Mom: We have Lenin at home.
Lenin at home:
Not until the US election system is changed. Until then they are just irrelevant distractions.
I’m sure Tesla shareholders are happy to hear he’s picked up another side project.
Don’t you remember? He’s a super genius!
