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Doesn’t look like the guy on the video.
The Revolution will not be televised.
Came to mind.
Why do I keep reading his name as “Luigi’s Mansion”
Lucky the police got him before he got nintendo’ed.
Have to admit I’m surprised. I really expected this to be a romantic triangle or business rivalry thing.
Is he repped yet? If not and anyone knows how to get in touch with his people please contact me. I have a line on a few free attorneys that take cases of this magnitude.
He comes from money, he won’t be needing free legal help.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp9nxee2r0do
"He attended a private, all-boys high school in Baltimore, called the Gilman School, according to school officials. Mr Mangione was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.
He comes from a prominent family in the Baltimore area whose businesses include a country club and nursing homes, according to local media.
He is reportedly the cousin of Republican state lawmaker Nino Mangione."
Maybe he’ll get the “boys being boys” case dismissal
And you’re the
“Lemmy Jordanlund”
“COMMUNITY MODERATOR”
"COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT "So what, who cares? The guy will need help regardless of if he’s guilty or not.
He needs help, he doesn’t need crowdsourcing to pay for it. :)
If you want to crowdfund someone, donate to somebody who got denied by the insurance company.
Go for it. Who have you donated to that’s gotten denied by an insurance company?
My wife… She got an infection which required a toe amputation before the the infection could turn septic, enter her bloodstream, and kill her.
First Aetna tried to claim the surgery was not medically necessary (really? Where’s your medical degree?) then they tried to claim our in-network hospital wasn’t covered because they used an out of network surgeon.
Sound familiar?
Paid the bill then continued to fight with Aetna for a full calendar year before they went “Oh, hey, you’re right…” and refunded me.
Nice nothing better than a free lawyer off the internet to defend you in a murder case. I can’t imagine that ever going wrong.
Hey genius… Ben Crump is a free lawyer off the internet. Maybe instead of shooting down offers to help you take your head out of your ass.
Any paid Manhattan attorney has more in common with the CEO. This guy needs a real street fighter. Not some prissy bitch.
We should spend the next year blanketing NY with information about jury nullification.
Careful, in case you haven’t heard, discussing jury nullification is apparently against the rules of lemmy.world. SMH (at lemmy.world admins).
They are certainly empowered to do that, just as I am empowered to block any instance I don’t want to participate in. If they are not tolerant and respectful of my beliefs (even if they don’t share them) then I don’t want to contribute to their community either.
Layperson juries are a fundamental component of criminal justice. The law exists to serve the people, not the lawyers, not the government. Rejecting jurors for understanding the purpose of having a layperson jury fundamentally violates the rights of the accused in particular, and society in general.
I’m not sure that’s true. I’ve had plenty of comments stay up. My guess is either the mod team got their shit together or those comments were deleted for other reasons.
It seems that it was never written in their terms before and had been inconsistently applied, but just in case you hadn’t seen these:
The pinned post on lemmy.world right now clarifies that discussing jury nullification for crimes that have already happened, such as this, is perfectly acceptable. It’s only discussing it with respect to crimes which have not yet been committed which is against the TOS.
Wait, we got a Future Crimes Division? I didn’t know .world was run by a bunch of milky precogs…
If you plan some violence and include jury nullification as some viable part of the plan, and publish that shit online, not only is it kind of useless and lousy opsec, but it will attract heat that is unwanted and unnecessary. It’s literally a conspiracy to undermine nullification at that point, like a false flag. So no, don’t do that, and I back the mods on this.
If you trust them after having enforced an unwritten policy and still not allowing discussion of something that’s perfectly legal.
I do. They’re cool.
100% agreed. Might I recomend making https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ go as viral as possible.
This better not be a rickroll…
I like that, but there is a major problem with it, and it’s around 2:49 in the video:
Do you have any beliefs that might prevent you from making a decision based strictly on the law?
Grey suggests that saying “No” with intent to nullify is lying, and therefore perjury. He is wrong. Where legislated law and constitutional law come into conflict (and they do in all cases of nullification), it is your duty to strictly follow constitutional law. You must judge the case as a layperson. You are constitutionally obligated to follow your own sense of rationality. That means if legislated law provides an undesirable outcome, you are obligated to “strictly follow [constitutional] law”, and refuse to convict under a lower law.
I can honestly claim to have no beliefs that would prevent me from making a decision based strictly on the law. The 6th Amendment is part of the law, and the 6th amendment requires and empowers me (as a juror) to make whatever decision I determine is appropriate.
Earlier in the video the he stated that the jurors cannot be punished for their decision, this applies if the outcome results in perjury.
We aren’t talking about the decision. We are talking about voir dire. You certainly can be charged and convicted of perjury if you lie during voir dire.
But again: it is not a lie to remember that the 6th Amendment is part of the law, and, if in conflict with any legislated law, supersedes that law.
We are talking about voir dire.
Wait, that isn’t just a term from “My Cousin Vinny”‽
My reply would be: “if the law is just, I will make a decision that serves justice”.
And they would respond “You are excused, with our thanks”.
Don’t get creative. The only correct answer is “no”.
I had half a day to think about it when they were selecting jury for a DUI case. I’d rather speak my mind freely for the jurors they’ve already selected, who are present during the full selection process. Normally one might think context doesn’t matter but DUI laws can also apply to a bicycle, which is a perfect candidate for being nullified by the jury.
You can speak freely with the other jurors during deliberation.
Yeah but I also didn’t really want to be on the jury that much. And I didn’t get called up anyway.
I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.
You don’t understand.
The fact that he wrote a manifesto meant he wanted to get caught. The taking the murder weapon and the manifesto to the McDonald’s was his way of saying he had gotten bored waiting for the cops to catch him. He pretty much turned himself in.
The gun is planted. They just found a crazy guy in order to convince everyone that they actually found the culprit.
For sure this has not been planted at all.
Only a bit more subtle than Russians https://www.vice.com/en/article/russia-sims-3/
You’re supposed to grow the beard before the attack and shave it off after. Its much faster to shave it off than grow it back
As a girl, shit.
No worries gurl, you can still use a wig and fake beard
I think this is why there’s a common narrative on the internet that this “evidence” was planted to frame a random dude.
It’s fair to call that a conspiracy theory at this point, but hopefully due process will reveal the truth.
Don’t be disappointed. I guessed he was going to do this, and for good reason. His options were to either, live a life in fear, worrying that one day he would be caught, or, to basically give him self up, and elect for a Jury trial. Jury nullification is one os the most powerful tools available to the average, non-rich american. If he goes through the trial and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror), then hes a free man, a folk hero, and he sets the precident that killing rich murderers isn’t an automatic crime.
What he’s doing is the smartest available option, please donate to his legal defense fund.
a court case also draws out media coverage, possibly more than an extended search would
I almost want to believe this guy saw how similar he was to the photos and how famous the shooter was getting and decided to take the fall by wandering around in public with some incriminating circumstantial evidence until someone reported him so he could take the credit.
Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
We can’t tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald’s. Probably the one that’s going to change jobs soon…
I’d be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald’s
America’s working class has a long history of buying into propaganda and acting against their own interests. It’s a huge reason why the medical industry has gotten so bad.
That being said, it’s important to keep our anger focused on the system, not people who are getting suckered by it.
$50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man’s actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time
Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through unions and destruction of community.
Basically we are built by our material conditions.
Jokes on you if you think this is going to change anything
Oh look, something changed: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/05/health/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-claim-limits
Oh look, nothing relevant changed. Looks like my comment still stands.
Need those goalposts moved again? I’d be happy to do it for you for $20.
Don’t need to move goal posts when nothing has changed. Get back to me with a relevant story.
Meanwhile people are still dying because of claims being denied, which you know, is the whole point of this story, or “goal post”.
Here you are saying the actions of people don’t have meaning. You feel smug because you proved yourself right. Seems the only power you have here is convincing others they are as powerless as you.
Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
Or, and hear me out here, we can view this with a little sympathy: there’s $60k in rewards for anyone who turned this guy in, and the person who did it makes peanuts at McDonalds.
Now, I don’t know if I would do it, but I can completely and utterly sympathize why someone who makes poverty wages would turn class traitor for what almost certainly life-changing money.
I don’t. Might as well just be a cop if you think like that, plenty of room for bootlicking morons in that profession.
Here here. I’m poor as shit, got no insurance whatsoever, 60k would be somewhat life changing for me. I would never ever squeal on a comrade like that, even for millions.
Yea. The shooter and ceo were closer in class than the shooter and working class who supposedly called in so wouldn’t necessarily be considered class traitor
Some people think anyone whose parents actually owned a house are “the elites”.
No. The CEO earned more in a year than even someone with a six figure salary would earn in a lifetime.
Ive read owned country clubs. Not like just a member but owned. Whether thats true or not. Idk
Maybe his family did, but judging by his work history, he wasn’t personally wealthy enough to be owning a country club.
If he was “owns a country club” rich, his work history would mostly just say “Owner and CEO of whatever country club”.
There’s no reason to work any sort of normal job if you have that kind of income rolling in.
And yet, despite that was still responsible for less deaths than the CEO
Could well be in debt up to their eyeballs and barely making a profit, for all we know.
I dunno. I’ve never met the narc, and I already don’t feel like he’s on my side.
shooter and ceo were closer in class than the shooter and working class
Ah, good ol’ “anyone who makes enough money to pay rent is part of the capitalist class, not the working class”
Family supposedly owns a country club. Prominent baltimore family. If that is so, that is definitely up there in the capitalist class and not working class. Still was rooting for him. Just would have alot cooler if was a working class guy.
He was a white collar working class guy. His work history is full of positions at various tech companies working as an engineer. It doesn’t appear that he was handed any sort of dynasty.
He was upper class, and he had better opportunities than your average American, but he was still a worker.
So not exactly Working class at all. If he maxed out the closest ATM with guys card and slung it the streets. Whoa
The downvotes on this really make me question my faith in humanity.
Only the downvotes?
What about the cheering on of murder in the street?
To be charitable, other people can have different views on ethics.
For example, if harming a CEO who helped raise claim denial rates from less than 10% to 30% results in revised policies and less overall suffering, that could be morally justifable to some.
The comment I replied to wasn’t cheering on a murderer.
The comment I replied to was trying to convey that an impoverished person may feel like the reward money for turning in a murderer outweighs any moralizing over the murder itself. That the dollar figure could be literally life changing and they may feel they have no option but to turn them in.
And people downvoted that. Hence my shaken faith in people’s ability to empathize.
We have a president who says that he could do exactly what The Adjuster did, and get away with it. If the president can do it, why not this guy?
I don’t like it, but this is our world right now.
Hey DM, can I get a reroll?
What about the cheering on of murder in the street?
Nah, that rich fuck had it coming, shooter is a hero.
Vigilante justice indicates a failure in the system to administer justice.
It is absolutely in society’s interest that someone who has caused deaths and misery of thousands is punished.
Punished, sure, but not murdered.
Are you advocating torture?
No, investigations by the various 3-letter agencies.
Luigi wasn’t really in a position where he could stop the CEO through any lesser use of force.
And that’s because it’s not his job to do so. Not every problem needs to be solvable by any given individual.
If he really was that passionate about the problem, he should’ve run for office to get into a position to solve the problem, or at least joined forces with some group that pushes for causes he believes in. Or started a business to compete with those businesses he disagrees with. Those would all be proactive steps he could take. Killing a CEO doesn’t solve anything, another will take his place, and surely he knew that.
I guess people are saying that they believe there is such a thing as an ethical murder in the streets. Of course in any form of ethics vacuum chamber this can’t stand. But in the real world where children are bombed for the sake of some asshole’s religion, where the president boasts he could get away with murder in the street and courts confirm this, in a world where sick people are left to suffer to boost a share price, then, THEN an act like this becomes a reasonable response to an unreasonable world.
Maybe someone better educated can tell me what ethics scholars have to say about how an ethical actor should behave in a system where ethics have utterly broken down. Right now, the crowd is saying “like that guy.”
I’m ill-disposed to wag my finger at them, and think the only ethical course is to address the corrupt environment in which this act occurred, because that environment undermines any one-dimensional ethical evaluation of this murder in the street, and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.
Find out finds everyone
Way ahead of you.
Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…
that person might get 60k…
maybe because of this circle jerk, regime will pay out to prove a point.
but there is a lesson in this discussion folks.
Off-topic question: are rewards money taxable?
There’s no reason for them not to be treated like any other income.
If I remember correctly, they can be anonymous. If that’s the case, they wouldn’t really be easily taxable. Still, we are talking about the government here, and if they tax lottery winnings, I would bet they tax rewards.
Well then this person is a moron. They won’t see a dime. Maybe a pat on the head and a gift card from the dollar store.
Employee of the Month
With the review bombing and public hatred of that McDonald’s location? Fired is more like it.
I meant more like, that’s the best accolade you may get as someone working for McDonald’s. But yes, McDonald’s absolutely has a reason to support the status quo in terms of corporate rule.
I don’t think that McDonald’s gives single fuck about review bombing
The corporation? Definitely not. But review bombing and boycotting will hurt the profits of that franchised location, and its owner certainly will.
Do people really look at or read reviews of McDonald’s?
You research reviews of McDonald where you are going to get burger? Really?
No way the average person working at Mcdonalds does anything but blow 60k even if they get it.
Yeah, the fucking idiot will probably all blow it on something stupid like an ER visit.
They’ll let him order anything he wants off the dollar menu!
Which is really just a pack of fries, minus the fries at this point, becaues what store has a dollar menu anymore?
One doesn’t have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they’ll get a piece of cheese.
But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.
He had everything on him to get caught and convicted. I don’t think he wanted to run forever.
Idiot yes but we can’t be too harsh on the pedon… so much education needs to be done, and these recent events is a good time for outreach and education.
Unity is the message. Luigi did the hard work, least the plebs can do it show some solidarity.
Class solidarity is for those who can afford it
Tell that to the social Democrats that build labor rights brick by brick a century ago. A lot of times they litterally starved on strike.
You’re right. But they would have literally starved or been mangled by a machine if they had done nothing. Back then, the greatest weapons the top 1% had were hired guns.
A century ago, your choices were to die today on strike, or die tomorrow from starvation or work conditions, even if you play by the rules. Now, the greatest weapon the 1% has is complacency. You can die today on strike or you can play by the rules and the corporate overlords will feed you just enough until you become too expensive to feed.
How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative? Complacency is a killer.
How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative?
I know this was more of a rhetorical question, but for anyone who is legitimately asking this question: you show them that it’s not actually a binary choice. There’s options like communism and unionization that can both protect them and feed them.
The best part of long-term solutions is that they’re actually solutions. The worst part about immediate satisfaction is that it’s only immediately satisfying. If someone has an immediate problem, it’s hard to get them to look at long-term solutions.
Sorry, I’ve been a major downer today…
in practice it do seem like that…
But the Adjuster was from well off family, and not all of us dirt poor… i don’t blame the snitch here.
I do expect most people to be able to do their part tho… if wage slaves can’t rally around this, we gonna have another generation of the fuckening.
make no mistake, the owner class will punish us hard for this.
He was from a well-off family, but according to his apparent last post, UnitedHealthCare ruined his mother regardless:
(I haven’t seen verification this is 100% from him, but it appears legit so far and if it is, I completely understand why he did this.)
I don’t blame the worker either. I don’t know their story, but if someone told me that I could either keep my mouth shut or feed and care for my family, I’d probably get chatty too. $60K isn’t enough to feed you for life, but it’s enough to get reliable transportation, clear a little debt, and buy a little time and cloth to interview for a job that pays better than McDonald’s.
What I’m saying is that it’s really hard to live by high standards when getting fired from your shitty-ass job could destroy, yet it doesn’t pay enough for you to escape. Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.
Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.
Ok, where are you going with this?
middle 60% of america can’t afford to not be a bootlicker?
The middle class income ranges from $17k per person up to $90k per person. I hope you don’t think that I’m trying to belittle anyone. Someone making 90K can definitely afford to not be a bootlicker; a family of four averaging nearly $17K per family member is gonna have a much harder time.
The year that I lost my shit-paying job only to find an even worse-paying job with more hours was really fucking tough. If you’d offered me $60K legally when I was making $12K and scrambling for rent, I’d’ve had a really hard fucking time saying no to that. Back then, I was living alone and had very little to live for. Drop me into my current living arrangement and sub that situation: I’m saying yes to the money 80% of the time.
I wish I could say that I’m better than that, but struggling in a capitalist society makes you sick, scared, and desperate really fast. I’m not saying that people with lower income deserve lower expectations or should live by lower standards. I’m just saying to reserve your judgement before shitting on someone and labeling them a snitch before you know whether they could have afforded anything else.
For those of us who can afford class solidarity against the top 1%, we need to remember that the most vulnerable need to be helped up, not stepped on. Instinctually blaming this McDonald’s worker helps the billionaires class far more than many of us may realize.
Maybe I’m off-base, but ultimately, this act of betrayal is unlikely to have an effect on the momentum of this potential movement. Whoever killed Thompson is unlikely to act again, their message was unlikely to be heard while they were in hiding, and if they are the hero everyone believes they also likely would forgive someone who was trying to de-shittify their life a little bit.
If you want this to move forward, pull those below you up so they can join us, not attack them for being on a lower level. Class solidarity is for those who can afford it. It sounds like you and I can afford it, so help someone else be able to afford it. Don’t shun people who are too scared of starving to fight. Feed them.
Because they rely on “tips” , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren’t so greedy they wouldn’t be relying on the tips to survive.
I worked at McDonalds for a few years when I was younger. They didn’t let us get tips.
Also worked there. There is no McDonald’s that has ever allowed tips. It’s against their corporate rules. I even saw an employee get written up for accepting a tip, once.
Some of us aren’t brainwashed into bloodlust by marxist bullshit, even though we’re poor.
Some of us would like it if we and people like us were not poor for the rest of time.
if you check out his twitter, seems to be your typical toxically masculine techbro… kinda disappointing
I don’t care. The dude is a fucking hero regardless of his views. The media wants to divide us so badly here, lol.
I call it a “necessary evil”.
fair
what years of culture war do to the human mind
Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.
One of us
So you’re a killer?
I kill bugs all day long.
One of us.
Him… Him, that guy, him, that dude, me, this guy, that guy over there, the dude next to him, the guy by the bathrooms, and the line beside it, the lady by the punchbowl, I don’t know the pronoun of the dj, but I heard them agree as well.
Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn’t have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.
-Somebody with the wherewithal probably
Does everyone still feel the same if he turns out to be a neoreactionary / accelerationist?
Per The San Francisco Standard
Mangione gave Ted Kaczynski’s book “Industrial Society and Its Future” four out of five stars, writing that the man known as the Unabomber was “rightfully imprisoned” for “maiming innocent people” but noting that his actions were “those of an extreme political revolutionary.”
Mangione’s social media accounts paint a picture of a tech enthusiast with a soft spot for conservative thinkers. He has retweeted posts from right-wing capitalists like Peter Thiel and lists an applauding biography of Elon Musk as one of his favorites on GoodReads.
yeah but if it turns out this is the guy, I think actions speak louder than words.
It could just be the tech culture he was around, and not the actual reasoning. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Yes. I don’t understand why the right will excuse pedophilia and mass murder, but the left will throw somebody under the bus if the follow the wrong person on shitter.
Applaud the actions, do not create a hero. Nobody will live up to those expectations for everybody.
That’s a sensible way to look at it. People’s actions can be separate from thier outlook, and that’s ok.
Because the transnational white power movement believes in loyalty over principle like any other dangerous cult. If you are an ally, you could eat children and would still be favored.
And if you’re in the outgroup, then they pretend as if you eat children.
They’re not interested in governance but culling the population, so they’re choosing people who are unpersoned by fiat.
If we wanted something different, we shouldn’t have voted in the monarchists. Now King Heron is in power and it’s frog-eating season.
Have you seen his abs?
Besides which, it’s difficult to say violence is wrong when we tolerate apatheticly so much systemic violence.
And with the new administration we’re expecting to see so much more with mass deportations and killing our already meager social safety nets.
We’re always three skipped meals from mass riots that overwhelm responders. It’s an exciting time to be alive.
And then there’s that, haha.
It does seem that everything is hanging from a thread. It’s a completely valid response to just say, F- it, and watch the world burn.
At that age I had similar ideas. This didn’t stop me from turning as leftist as it gets. Anyway it is all irrelevant. He did firebomb the walmart, he did the redacted and that’s enough to absolve him from any leftist sin. Don’t you dare turn this into yet another culture war.
Fair take. That wasn’t my intention, although, now, I suppose that maybe a natural progression.
I admit, there is definitely a disconnect, considering his actions, but, I really am torn on the idea. I guess, I question that if (and big if) his intention is to build this type of future, would his actions be enough to make others sympathetic to his cause? If, or at what point, people turn away?
I’m Italian. We had a long season of leftist terrorism with popular support. People started feeling alienated when they kidnapped and killed the centrist prime minister because he wanted to ally with the Left. Kneecapping dozens of CEOS just won the terrorists more and more support.
Also sympathy to causes is different from power. We should be concerned less with how an action impacts public opinions and more on how it impacts power structures, potential for action and mobilization.
The future vice president of America is close with the leaders of the neoreactionary movement. I suppose, I wonder if a positive public opinion would make it easier for them to mobilize.
Edit: ending up with support from both sides of the isle.
Doesn’t look like the guy in the photos. That guy had a coat on. Not guilty.
He honestly doesn’t look like the same guy to me. Idk.
