I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.
I almost want to believe this guy saw how similar he was to the photos and how famous the shooter was getting and decided to take the fall by wandering around in public with some incriminating circumstantial evidence until someone reported him so he could take the credit.
The gun is planted. They just found a crazy guy in order to convince everyone that they actually found the culprit.
Don’t be disappointed. I guessed he was going to do this, and for good reason. His options were to either, live a life in fear, worrying that one day he would be caught, or, to basically give him self up, and elect for a Jury trial. Jury nullification is one os the most powerful tools available to the average, non-rich american. If he goes through the trial and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror), then hes a free man, a folk hero, and he sets the precident that killing rich murderers isn’t an automatic crime.
What he’s doing is the smartest available option, please donate to his legal defense fund.
a court case also draws out media coverage, possibly more than an extended search would
You’re supposed to grow the beard before the attack and shave it off after. Its much faster to shave it off than grow it back
As a girl, shit.
No worries gurl, you can still use a wig and fake beard
I think this is why there’s a common narrative on the internet that this “evidence” was planted to frame a random dude.
It’s fair to call that a conspiracy theory at this point, but hopefully due process will reveal the truth.
You don’t understand.
The fact that he wrote a manifesto meant he wanted to get caught. The taking the murder weapon and the manifesto to the McDonald’s was his way of saying he had gotten bored waiting for the cops to catch him. He pretty much turned himself in.
For sure this has not been planted at all.
Only a bit more subtle than Russians https://www.vice.com/en/article/russia-sims-3/
Have to admit I’m surprised. I really expected this to be a romantic triangle or business rivalry thing.
Luigi Mangione is a CEO shooting suspect.
FIFY
Fixarixis? Do they mean Firaxis?
Yes, Firaxis, he worked as an intern fixing UI issues in Civ VI based off of a screenshot I saw of his LinkedIn page
Well now I love him even more!
It was actually Fixarixinixynoxinaxis
There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??
Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.
This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.
Reading these fantasy takes is exhausting. It’s hard to want to be a part of a community that supports this guy by gaslighting everyone, saying things like “it’s not the same guy in the four photos!” Just hundreds of people all convinced they can secure this guys freedom by acting dumb and face blind- you’ve created a whole fictional scenario here that’s just unbelievable and unrealistic.
If he didn’t want to get caught he shouldn’t have left DNA all over, shouldn’t have taken off his mask, shouldn’t be carrying the murder weapon days later… He could have helped himself but instead there’s an army of idiots who are probably just creating this fan fiction to impress their peers. It’s very childish though. This guy tried to do something which is commendable, or maybe he’s just mentally ill, but I’m just tired of reading all this nonsense. Who are you signalling to?
I understand where you’re coming from. I was in your shoes about 15 years ago, hearing about “crazy conspiracies” or perspectives like mine and dismissing them as baseless and ‘fantasy’.
My brother/sister, let me be crystal clear—both to you and anyone else who happens to read this: unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have.
I say this in all seriousness: these people have unimaginable resources and capabilities. They possess the willpower and determination to execute plans like the ones I’ve described—and far, far worse. I’ve seen far more extreme measures taken for far less than what might be perceived as even a minor threat to the capitalist power structure. They’ve invested immense effort into building and maintaining this system, and I can tell you from personal experience that they’ll go to great lengths to protect it. This is not some wild fantasy or baseless conspiracy theory—it’s entirely within the realm of possibility, and is our reality.
That said, I completely understand and respect your skepticism. I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t believe me. In fact, I’d expect you not to. Why should you? I’m just an anonymous person behind a pseudonym on a random discussion board, and I have no concrete evidence to present—only my word.
Take from this what you will.
unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have
I’ll bite, what field are you in?
I hope mental healthcare, but on the receiving end
To be fair, people were posting actors who look like the very shitty pictures we have of the guy too, and I buy some of them. Honestly, the picture we have looks more like Timothée Chalamet than this guy. I’m not saying it isn’t this guy, or it is Chalamet, but there’s a shit ton of people in this world, and a lot look like the shooter.
If you look at a photo of the guy taken from above him, so a similar angle to the surveillance camera, he looks very similar. I do think it’s him.
If you will not trust authorities how do you expect them to prove it to you?
Even if they proved it was him it doesn’t matter. When OJ was acquitted, Jurors admitted they did it as a fuck you to the LAPD and justice system.
They’re going to have to take it to court and provide evidence. Trust is what you give to someone without the need for evidence. If they can prove it, then sure I’ll believe it. I’m not just going to trust that they’re correct without that though.
Is there a reason to think there will be no trial and this guy by some reason will end up in some CIA black site without trial?
I just find it interesting that someone who has absolutely no trust in authorities does not have a theory that court can be influenced by the same authorities.
end up in some CIA black site without trial?
No, he’d end up Epsteined. If the evidence were a plant, he’d be of no use to them alive.
Trusting the authorities is absofuckinglutely the dumbest motherfucking take anyone can have in this capitalistic hellscape.
It reminds me of people in the UFO community.
I posted this elsewhere, but this is one of the few times I buy the conspiracy theory, not the official story.
Dude pulls off a targeted assassination, gets away clean, trolls the cops with a bag of monopoly money, gets out of the state, stays essentially hidden for almost a week… And then gets clocked by some poor maccas employee and gets taken in with a manifesto AND a gun on his person?
It’s the nazi flag and 3 copies of The Sims all over again, except this time the folks doing it are slightly more competent and actually pulled it off.
This case is so important, so high profile, that they just need to arrest someone ASAP. Anyone. And that person is not in for a good time.
There’s a simple explanation: He wanted to keep on the move, and he wanted to be able to take down other targets.
His face jas been plastered everywhere for the past week. My YouTube home page literally had 3-4 thumbnails of his face on every reload. Lemmy…X…news sites…massive exposure.
So yah…some random worker notices his face looks kind of similar while he’s dining at his favorite spot and bam. Don’t forget there was a $10k bounty, plenty of fast food workers might be itching to collect on something like that.
He probably figured once he was questioned about anything that they’d eventually get him so he prepared for that scenario. Or maybe this wasn’t even his last stop on his triple-D tour so he was still geared up.
We’ll see him in court. If he’s innocent then he make a pretty good argument and then we can decide whether to raise eyebrows but this all just seems Q-anon levels of silly right now.
there was a $10k bounty,
$60k. $10k from NYPD and $50k from the FBI.
You can’t convince me this is the real shooter, this guy looks more like Skeet from Jimmy Neutron than the “Grin Reaper” in the now famous pic
I said this to many folks IRL, the guy the NYPD charges will not be the shooter. just some poor sap that gets sent to prison for life because he had a dissenting opinion.
it’s the high price we pay to keep them in power.
I think he knew he was going to get caught. Words on bullets, monopoly money… It’s trying to make the story larger and larger. Pretty sure he will make a show in front of the jury.
I don’t know if that will work, but I respect that more than he killed the pig without making clear why.
On the upside, some people were pointing out he comes from a rich family
Not rich, but reasonably well off.
He was an ivy league grad, vacations in Bali, and his family owns a country club and a chain of nursing homes. He almost certainly has more money than the guy he shot.
You think that a lone assailant had more money than the CEO of one of two branches of the 9th largest company in the world by revenue and largest health insurance company in the US? And if so, why wouldn’t he have hired a hitman with all that money instead? Or just paid for medical bills out of pocket? Or just had his own doctor that only served him and prescribed whatever he wanted?
He was CEO, not founder. The dude was only worth around $50 million. The shooters family owns a country club and an entire chain of nursing homes. They almost certainly have more money, probably a lot more money.
I can’t answer your other questions. Perhaps the answers will be in his manifesto.
No way that he personally had more money than the CEO, from just looking at his work history. Maybe his whole family has more money than the CEO, but if we compared whole families against each other, the CEOs family would still come out on top.
What would “the elites” stand to gain from framing this dude, while the actual killer is still on the loose?
This is pretty unhinged, to be honest.
I’m not adopting the conspiracy here, but if they can’t find the shooter with the whole country getting behind him, then they would want the optics of finding the shooter. Which could backfire, of course. It would be very telling, for example, if the cops got real confident about it and then the real shooter made some kind of public display with the false shooter in custody.
Yeah, thats part of the reason I don’t buy it. If the actual killer acts again, it will be very embarrassing for the police.
This was my thought process, too. If they got a framed guy here, the actual CEO killer would likely or hopefully do something else to let the public know that they were still out there.
Yeah, I get that. However, the optics of having a successful “martyr” symbol is very, very dangerous. A wide scope of narrative means difficult to control. Difficult to control introduces “motivator to action” symbols among a, I think, specific (and quite populous) demographic (think of all the young males with zero purpose, waiting to seize on an opportunity for a real life Mr Robot, for example)… “well if he could do it, get away with it, AND become a ’hero’, what’s stopping me from doing the same?”
Having someone, anyone, buys time to craft the narrative and gauge public sentiment and, most importantly, dampen the probability of a revolutionary ’spark’ if you will.
Obviously we don’t have enough information here. It very well could be the dude they have in custody. I am only sharing one possible theory based off my experience and observations. And there are a number of very suspect observations here that are in line with narrative management.
They gain by preventing copycat killers. If other poors think that he got away with it, they might think they can, too.
to make an example of someone to try to dissuade others from following in his footsteps
The killer is not as dangerous as the approval for his act. The government wants to prevent copycat vigilantes by making an example out of him. Regardless whether this guy is guilty or not, they’ll drag him through the deepest mud and then string him up with the harshest possible sentence, to discourage others from gunning down CEOs.
Somebody better nullify that jury.
Lol … I thought you were asking to nudify the jury
It only takes of working man to get on it to make it flop
And here’s your 12 jury members…
Oh, it’s Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerburg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch,
…I could keep this joke going if I used google, but is it sad that I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters “Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general public, and would absolutely convict”?
I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters "Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general pub
You should find more about gates than the name
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
I am not going to watch 70 minutes movie, but according to brief skimming through the discussion it’s about business practice of the Microsoft from times of windows 3.11
I am talking about his today’s undeniable philantropic work and the fact is he is really far from the rest of the people on your list.
People are allowed to evolve and if every billionaire in the world would evolve I’m the same direction he did, world would be better place.
It’s a podcast and you can listen while doing other things. 70 minutes isn’t very long.
You can deny his recent philanthropic work because his libertarian mentality corrupts it. He helped fund covid 19 vaccine research, but also demanded that the patents not be released, so profit could be made. This is in direct contrast to the lead scientist of the poli vaccine opening it up for anyone to make, comparing the ownership of a vaccine to trying to own sunlight.
While there’s evidence that Gates did not participate in Epstein’s parties, he did know about and choose to stay silent.
Gates is a full blown elite larping as a humanitarian when the role of his foundation should be occupied by a tax funded gov org.
it would have to be 12 CEOs but they deff aint got to be proper owner oligarch… just scrape some middling f500 roaster with some “nonames”
but yes valid point… but defense can generally strike some of these.
this guy going to need proper counsel, I am assuming fun raising won’t be an issue. he deserves the best.
coupled with proper PR campaign on socials since TV will try to destroy him.
this jury must not convict because the glove don’t fit hehe
Plenty of lawyers, at least some of them talented, will offer to defend him for free.
It could make their career.
defense of this scale will require several million dollars, nobody will do that for free.
also, defending this guy will make you enemy of the owner class. top talent will opt out.
I’m fairly certain they’ll just find a new jury
Sure sounds like justice.
I mean… it does seem pretty fair? If the jury is hung it’s up to the state to retry. If the jury comes back not guilty then that’s the end of it.
we gonna keep trying until we win…
tbh that is the ruling class MO tho
Fortunately in criminal trials if the Jury can return a not guilty verdict, that’s game over for the states case. Double jeopardy they can’t retry.
Now if one guy on the Jury opposes a guilty verdict, and no verdict is reached, then the state can retry.
I’m curious why he still carry all those things after he is done with it.
Maybe plotting how to dispose of it, perhaps extra paranoid with how much he blew up. Unfortunately all the memes of him probably helped spread the search for him. Not everyone who saw a meme agreed with his actions.
It was a ghost gun, he could have thrown it into any ditch and not have it traced back to him.
He’d probably be ditching more than just that. He could be caught on a security camera disposing of it which could give further clues. He may also had no intention of disposal and intended to keep the firearm.
There are not security cameras all the way.
He may also had no intention of disposal
The whole point of a ghost gun is to be able to throw it away and have it not traced back to you.
Private security footage could have caught him disposing, someone could have witnessess and grabbed another photo of him using his their cell phone. He could be worried about finger prints on the gun or other biological clues. And if a ghost gun is so untraceable, keeping it after a crime shouldn’t be proof, because how do you prove it was this ghost gun used in the crime? He could claim he just keeps it for self defense or was interested in how far 3D printed tech has come
He could be planning another assassination or desire to keep the weapon for self defense purposes. I think you are downplaying the parannoia that would come with such a large scale manhunt accompanied with becoming an internet meme spreading your photo and awareness of your act over night. Paranoia makes you constantly think “but what if?” And that paranoia is even stronger in an extreme circumstance like this.
The fact is, we may never know why he kept it.
Even without serial number, a ghost gun will leave rifling marks on the bullets which can be compared by firing the gun into ballistic gel
Sad reality and a lessons on you didn’t see shit.
Check out parallel construction concept…
He didn’t… They found where he dispose of it and gave to police to plant on him so we have to accept he is the perp…
You can get creative with who “they” are here btw
BC if you got murdered they would never do this.
Also he left a dead man switch for YouTube upload.
Proof of YouTube upload?
this was linked above https://programming.dev/comment/13809699
There’s no proof. Yet.
In other threads, people have suggested that he might be carrying the manifesto in case he was shot and killed if/when arrested.
Possibly, yes. I’m amazed he still had the gun though.
Well I’d say… could it also be plausible he was going for another CEO.
Actually, that wouldn’t surprise me at all.
The article spelled Hero wrong…
Lemmy went from being outraged at the elections to becoming un ironical Unabomber stans so fast that I didn’t even realized it
Raise your hand if you want to read the suspect’s manifesto!
have a look at this guy’s twitter: https://x.com/pepmangione?lang=en
Can you screenshot it? I’m not signing up for that shithole site.
I doubt they will release it if has any teeth…
They’d have to if they wanna use it as evidence.
in 2 years for the court proceeding?
2 years?
Edit: tinely trials are the birden of the defense. Prosecution/plantiffs have more restrictions. I’m not too sure how New York specifically operates
they will waste all the time they can while mentally and physically abusing him in the system…
Of all the people, it happened to be someone who likely uses lemmy.
How awesome would it be if it turned out to be no poop guy??!
For the uninitiated: https://web.archive.org/web/20230624223444/https://lemmy.world/post/440073
…I’m sorry, what? No poop guy?
Last summer there was a guy asking for advice on not popping for 3 days.
…that explaination only raises MORE questions!
And that sums up the whole poop ordeal.
Training for the escape. Might not be able to safely shit for up to 3 days.
wait…there’s only like a thousand of us !
We are all Luigi.
Forever Player 2.
Huh?
I almost explained that, then read your username…
I am Luigi
I’m Luigi and so’s my wife
can confirm… this guys wife wants me to call her Luigi
brb naming my newborn Luigi
I am
Sparticus! Errr…Luigi!
I am Luigi.
No, i am Luigi!
He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.
Publish it then.
They need dozens of psy PhD types to review it to asses risks and prep narratives to discredit him.
Get fucked, dude is a hero.
Hey you got your account back!!
Are you referring to the 2FA problem I had? I brute-forced it with a simple Bash script utilizing Lemmy API. Our instance doesn’t seem to have rate-limiting.
Yea, Oh Cool.
s e k u r e
that is configurable by your admin. while it was useful for you, you should probably raise that problem to your admin.
Give them time to write it up! They police are having problems with the shared Google Doc permissions.
and the reading, don’t forget the reading
Historically speaking, pigs can’t read.
Thatsthejoke.gif
This isn’t the handwritten manifesto, but it’s apparently the last thing he wrote online. It’s heartbreaking.
Wow thanks for posting
We wouldn’t want to arouse ill-will toward health insurers /s
He was carrying it around for absolutely no reason and for long enough to get caught with it? Bullshit, it’s manufactured evidence.
First thought that came to mind as well, it sounds very implausible for him to be carrying a manifesto.
Unless he planned on not surviving
Perhaps, yes
Another thought I had is what if he was still writing it?
A week after?
I’m totally speculating, but if he’s been on the run, he may not have changed his plans on certain… conclusions.
Not surviving what, the bus ride?
The arrest
This thing about a guy at Macdonald’s recognizing his eyes also sounds bit strange tbh
Well, a YouTube account with the shooters name posted a video today titled “truth” which was basically saying that there were videos scheduled to be made public in the near future (presumably on the same account), which would speak to his motivations and mind set or something of the sort.
Instead of telling you about it, I would prefer to just link the video, but according to YouTube, the account associated with the YouTube channel has been removed, so you can believe me or not on this. the video was only up for about 4 hours and when I saw it, maybe 30 minutes before it was removed from YouTube, it had 10’s of thousands of views. I know those counters aren’t exactly real time, so it’s not unreasonable to think that upwards of 100k people saw it, maybe more, and unless one of them saved it, it’s likely that nobody else will see it.
It’s still here for now
Lol, Twitter?! Seriously? I’m not even going to click that shit. I know it’s not real.
This is fabricated
Pretty sure that YT account was faked, or mis-related to Mangione
Well well well,
Once, not if, but once it leaks, who ordered this, and who executed said order of this information being suppressed, you’ll have more heads in line for the guillotine.
¡Congrats!
Ikr
Or he consider himself a crusader for a cause more than a vigilante and was carrying it to get more attention to his beliefs.
And yet instead of waiting around to get lots of attention and people *quoting things he said before cops arrived he quietly got on a bus. Doesn’t track.
*fucking worthless autocorrect
My tin foil hat theory is that he was planning out another shooting and got interrupted.
Deny that you know or even saw them. Defend them if they do get caught, through protest, fundraising, bail, etc. Depose those who put them in jail if they are sentenced.
it’s getting really difficult to not find him attractive
No, Mr Mangione! A Fortune 500 executive is a living, enterprising creature!
I don’t care…heheheh <ebike swerves onto sidewalk>
I love how transparent the billionaire media is now. everything I’ve heard about this guy is a character assassination or speculative at best.
they even mobbed the highschool he graduated from…EIGHT YEARS AGO. All to get some clips they can piece together to fit the narrative that he’s “a bad crazy man with a gun”.
this shooting has certainly scared the fucking shit out of the aristocracy though. you can tell how scared they are by how hard the media is pushing the story of his capture.
