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    I think the trick here is to not use Google. The Wikipedia page for the movie heat is the first result on DuckDuckGo

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      Because you’re not getting an answer to a question, you’re getting characters selected to appear like they statistically belong together given the context.

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        A sentence saying she had her ovaries removed and that she is fertile don’t statistically belong together, so you’re not even getting that.

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          You think that because you understand the meaning of words. LLM AI doesn’t. It uses math and math doesn’t care that it’s contradictory, it cares that the words individually usually came next in it’s training data.

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            It has nothing to do with the meaning. If your training set consists of a bunch of strings consisting of A’s and B’s together and another subset consisting of C’s and D’s together (i.e. [AB]+ and [CD]+ in regex) and the LLM outputs “ABBABBBDA”, then that’s statistically unlikely because D’s don’t appear with A’s and B’s. I have no idea what the meaning of these sequences are, nor do I need to know to see that it’s statistically unlikely.

            In the context of language and LLMs, “statistically likely” roughly means that some human somewhere out there is more likely to have written this than the alternatives because that’s where the training data comes from. The LLM doesn’t need to understand the meaning. It just needs to be able to compute probabilities, and the probability of this excerpt should be low because the probability that a human would’ve written this is low.

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              Unless they grabbed discussion forums that happened to have examples of multiple people. It’s pretty common when talking about fertility, problems in that area will be brought up.

              People can use context and meaning to avoid that mistake, LLMs have to be forced not to through much slower QC by real people (something Google hates to do).

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              Honestly this isn’t really all that accurate. Like, a common example when introducing the Word2Vec mapping is that if you take the vector for “king” and add the vector for “woman,” the closest vector matching the resultant is “queen.” So there are elements of “meaning” being captured there. The Deep Learning networks can capture a lot more abstraction than that, and the Attention mechanism introduced by the Transformer model greatly increased the ability of these models to interpret context clues.

              You’re right that it’s easy to make the mistake of overestimating the level of understanding behind the writing. That’s absolutely something that happens. But saying “it has nothing to do with the meaning” is going a bit far. There is semantic processing happening, it’s just less sophisticated than the form of the writing could lead you to assume.

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    You’ve sullied my quick answer:

    The assistant figures it out though:

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      Maybe that’s why ai had trouble determining anything about AJ & the movie Heat, because she’s wasn’t even in it!

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    Why do people Google questions anyway? Just search “heat cast” or “heat Angelina Jolie”. It’s quicker to type and you get more accurate results.

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      “How to to describe a character in my story hiding a body after they committed a murder?”

      ⬇️

      “killed someone, how to hide body?”

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      As a funny challenge I like to come up with simplified, stupid-sounding, 3-word search queries for complex questions, and more often than not it’s good enough to get me the information I’m looking for.

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      I just tested. “Angelina jolie heat” gives me tons of shit results, I have to scroll all the way down and then click on “show more results” in order to get the filmography.

      “Is angelina jolie in heat” gives me this bluesky post as the first answer and the wikipedia and IMDb filmographies as 2nd and 3rd answer.

      So, I dunno, seems like you’re wrong.

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        both queries give me poor results and searching “heat cast” reveals that she is not actually in the movie, so that’s probably why you can’t find anything useful

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        Have people just completely forgot how search engines work? If you search for two things and get shit results, it means those two things don’t appear together.

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        Search engine algorithms are way better than in the 90s and early 2000s when it was naive keyword search completely unweighted by word order in the search string.

        So the tricks we learned of doing the bare minimum for the most precise search behavior no longer apply the same way. Now a search for two words will add weight to results that have the two words as a phrase, and some weight for the two words close together in the same sentence, but still look for each individual word as a result, too.

        More importantly, when a single word has multiple meanings, the search engines all use the rest of the search as an indicator of which meaning the searcher means. “Heat” is a really broad word with lots of meanings, and the rest of the search can help inform the algorithm of what the user intends.

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      Because that’s the normal way in which humans communicate.

      But for Google more specifically, that sort of keyword prompts is how you searched stuff in the '00s… Nowadays the search prompt actually understands natural language, and even has features like “people also ask” that are related to this.

      All in all, do whatever works for you, it’s just that asking questions isn’t bad.

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        Google is not a human so why would you communicate with it as if it were a human? unlike chatgpt it’s not designed to answer questions, it’s designed to search for words on webpages

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          Because we’re human, and that’s a human-made tool. It’s made to fit us and our needs, not the other way around. And in case you’ve missed the last decade, it actually does it rather well.

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          Except Google has been optimizing for natural language questions for the last decade or so. Try it sometime, it’s really wild

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          We spend most of our time communicating with humans so we’re generally better at that than communicating with algorithms and so it feels more comfortable.

          Most people don’t want to learn to communicate with a search engine in its own language. Learning is hard.

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      Why do people Google questions anyway?

      Because it gives better responses.

      Google and all the other major search engines have built in functionality to perform natural language processing on the user’s query and the text in its index to perform a search more precisely aligned with the user’s desired results, or to recommend related searches.

      If the functionality is there, why wouldn’t we use it?

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          Longer queries give better opportunities for error correction, like searching for synonyms and misspellings, or applying the right context clues.

          In this specific example, “is Angelina Jolie in Heat” gives better results than “Angelina Jolie heat,” because the words that make it a complete sentence question are also the words that give confirmation that the searcher is talking about the movie.

          Especially with negative results, like when you ask a question where the answer is no, sometimes the semantic links in the kndex can get the search engine to make suggestions of a specific mistaken assumption you’ve made.

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    Google was fine as it was before, now it does shit like this. I hate how AI is shoved down our throats. And the results on google nowadays feel so much worse and generic than a few years ago. That isn’t just a feeling I have, right?

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      Add obscenities to your search for the most optimized results. It drops the AI component and seems to provide the more direct results we used to get.

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            Debian Linux Script…

            TR1X-Debian-3.sh

            
            #!/bin/bash
            
            if [ -f ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh ]; then
            
                # Simply run the game startup script and exit...
                pushd ./
                    cd ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian
                    ./TR1X.sh
                popd
                exit
            
            else
            
                # Create temporary download folder
                if [ ! -d /tmp/TR1X-download ]; then
                    mkdir /tmp/TR1X-download
                fi
            
                # Download and extract game engine tarball
                pushd ./
                    cd /tmp/TR1X-download
                    if [ ! -f TR1X-3.0.2-Debian.tar.gz ]; then
                        wget http://web.archive.org/web/20231122035737if_/https://files.catbox.moe/lc2sqz.gz
                        mv lc2sqz.gz TR1X-3.0.2-Debian.tar.gz
                    fi
                    if [ ! -d ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian ]; then
                        mkdir ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian
                    fi
                    pushd ./
                        cd ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian
                        if [ ! -f TR1X ]; then
                            tar -xvf /tmp/TR1X-download/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian.tar.gz
                        fi
                    popd
                popd
            
                # Nude Raider Title Screen
                if [ ! -f /tmp/TR1X-download/titleh.png ]; then
                    pushd ./
                        cd /tmp/TR1X-download
                        wget https://tinyurl.com/nr1xtitle
                        mv nr1xtitle titleh.png
                        rm ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/data/titleh.png
                        cp titleh.png ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/data/titleh.png
                    popd
                fi
            
                pushd ./
                    cd /tmp/TR1X-download
                    if [ -f /tmp/TR1X-download/titleh.png ]; then
                        if [ ! -f /tmp/TR1X-download/tombraid.rar ]; then
                            wget https://tinyurl.com/nuderaid
                            mv nuderaid tombraid.rar
                        fi
                    else
                        if [ ! -f /tmp/TR1X-download/tombraid.rar ]; then
                            wget https://tinyurl.com/wombraid
                            mv wombraid tombraid.rar
                        fi
                    fi
            
                    type -P unrar > /dev/null && echo || sudo apt-get install unrar
                    unrar x /tmp/TR1X-download/tombraid.rar /tmp/TR1X-download
            
                    if [ -f /tmp/TR1X-download/titleh.png ]; then
                        7z x /tmp/TR1X-download/nuderaid.iso
                    else
                        7z x /tmp/TR1X-download/tombraid.iso
                    fi
            
                    cp /tmp/TR1X-download/Data/*.* ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/data
                    mkdir ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/fmv
                    cp /tmp/TR1X-download/Fmv/*.* ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/fmv
            
                    if [ ! -f /tmp/TR1X-download/music.zip ]; then
                        wget https://tinyurl.com/tr1xmusic
                        mv tr1xmusic music.zip
                    fi
                    if [ ! -d ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/music ]; then
                        mkdir ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/music
                        unzip /tmp/TR1X-download/music.zip -d ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian
                    fi
            
                popd
            
                # Modern TR1X doesn't recognize the original PCX images
                rm ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/data/*.pcx
            
                # Clean temporary files
                if [ -d /tmp/TR1X-download ]; then
                    rm -r /tmp/TR1X-download
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                # Generate startup script...
                if [ ! -f ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh ]; then
                    rm ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh
                    echo "#!/bin/bash" > ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh
                    echo "./TR1X" >> ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh
                    chmod 755 ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh
                fi
            
                # Initialize the game...
            #    if [ -f ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh ]; then
            #        pushd ./
            #            cd ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian
            #            ./TR1X.sh
            #        popd
            #    fi
            
            fi
            
            
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                I get bored sometimes.

                Hope the script didn’t give you any trouble.

                If you comment out the title screen download section, it’ll install regular Tomb Raider instead.

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      They’re an ad company that just happens to offer search as a way to show ads.

      Their ideal scenario is one where you search forever and never find what you were looking for.

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        They’re walking the fine line between being shitty enough that you have to refine your search multiple times (thus allowing them to show you more ads), but not being SO shitty that you give up and never come back.

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          This has been effectively proven by email chains made public through court proceedings. Former head of search left sometime around 2015 because the ad team was being allowed to make search worse to pump their numbers.

          New head of search was the guy who ran Yahoo’s search department while they got eaten alive by Google, and he had been working Google’s Ad division after he left Yahoo.

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        It been a downhill slope that just keeps getting steeper. They’re basically falling off a cliff right now, and their parachute is improving AI.

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      Not just you. I feel like search modifiers like “NOT” or “OR” haven’t been working for a good long while either.

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    Is it considered normal to type out a normal question format when using search engines?

    If I were looking for an answer instead of making a funny meme, I’d search “heat movie cast Angelina Jolie” if I didn’t feel like putting any effort in.

    Then again, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I’ve seen someone use their phone to search google “what is 87÷167?” instead of doing “87/167” or like… Opening the calculator…

    People do things in different, sometimes weird ways.

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      This is like the difference between normal and right. Like I know a ton of people normally search for answers by putting full questions in. With the advent of LLMs and AI being thrown into everything asking full questions starts to make more sense.

      For actual good results using a search engine, for sure what you said is better.

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      It depends on the person in my experience.

      For instance, I’ll often use a question format, but usually because I’m looking for similar results from a forum, in which I’d expect to find a post with a similar question as the title. This sometimes produces better results than just plain old keywords.

      Other times though, I’m just throwing keywords out and adding "" to select the ones I require be included.

      But I do know some people who only ever ask in question format no matter the actual query. (e.g. “What is 2+2” instead of just typing “2+2” and getting the calculator dialogue, like you said in your post too.)

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      Yeah, the way that i would do it is to look up the Wikipedia page for the movie Heat and go to the cast section.

      This is how i always look for information and it can actually be to my detriment. Like that time i went to Reddit to ask them what that movie was where time is a currency, and somebody pointed out that i could have just googled “time is money movie” and it would have immediately shown me In Time (2011).

      Also, when i want something from an app or website i will consult the alphabetical list or look for a link to click, instead of just using the search bar.

      I don’t know, somehow it never entered my brain that search bars are smart and can figure out what you meant if you use natural language. Even though they’ve been programmed that way since before i was born

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      I sometimes ask questions, and sometimes I’m forced to because the original answer somehow misinterpreted my query. I also do searches like you mentioned, but I don’t exclusively do one of the other.

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    It also contradicts itself immediately, saying she’s fertile, then immediately saying she’s had her ovaries removed end that she’s reached menopause.

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    We all know how AI has made things worse, but here’s some context on how it’s outright backwards.

    Early search engines had a context problem. To use an example from “Halt and Catch Fire”, if you search for “Texas Cowboy”, do you mean the guys on horseback driving a herd of cows, or do you mean the football team? If you search for “Dallas Cowboys”, should that bias the results towards a different answer? Early, naive search engines gave bad results for cases like that. Spat out whatever keywords happen to hit the most.

    Sometimes, it was really bad. In high school, I was showing a history teacher how to use search engines, and he searched for “China golden age”. All results were asian porn. I think we were using Yahoo.

    AltaVista largely solved the context problem. We joke about its bad results now, but it was one of the better search engines before Google PageRank.

    Now we have AI unsolving the problem.

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      I was okay with keyword results. If you knew what you were dealing with in the search engine, you could usually find what you were looking for.

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    A statistical model predicted that “in heat” with no upper-case H nor quotes, was more likely to refer to the biological condition. Don’t get me wrong: I think these things are dumb, but that was a fully predictable result. (‘…the movie “Heat”’ would probably get you there).

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      As a comparison I ran the same all lower case query in bing and got the answer about the movie because asking about a movie is statistically more likely than asking if a human is in heat. Google’a ai is worse than fucking bing, while google’s old serach algorith consistently had the right answers.

      Google made itself worse by replacing a working system with ai.

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        Kagi quick answers for comparison gets this tweet, but now it thinks that heat is not the movie kind lol

        The AI ouroboros in action

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        It might be the way Bing is tokenizing and/or how far back it’s looking to connect things when compared to Google.

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      It’s not just any human though, it’s an actor, so movie related words should statistically be more likely.

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      While I get your point of the capital H thing, Google’s AI itself decided to put “heat” in quotes all on its own…

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      I tried the search myself and the non-AI results that aren’t this Bluesky post are pretty useless, but at least they’re useless without using two small towns’ worth of electricity

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        Non-AI results are not going to generally include sites about how something isn’t true unless it is a common misconception.

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    Leaving aside the fact that this looks like AI slop/trash bait; who the fudge is so clueless as to think Ashley Judd, assuming that she’s who they’re confusing, looks anything like Angelina Jolie back then

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      First, it’s the internet, you can cuss. Either structure the sentence not to include it at all or just cuss for fuck’s sake. Second, not everyone knows every actor/actress or is familiar, especially one that’s definitely not in the limelight anymore like Ashley Judd. Hell even when she was popular she wasn’t in a lot.