Whatever happened to “femoid”? I know I read that one somewhere.
The future is femoid
“people with vaginas” is one option ig. or if they also identify as women, cis women is another option
I think “vag havers” is the preferred nomenclature.
I prefer “pussy owners”, sounds funnier.
Vager?
V’Ger? ominous noises in the background
Pascals vager
When did “people with vaginas” unironically become a way to refer to anyone, especially as an alternative to “female”?
well sometimes u need to refer to ppl who have a vagina, because having a vagina is somehow relevant to the topic of conversation. which in my experience comes up very rarely, so i dont have to use it very often.
some people who have vaginas arent women, and so if the topic includes those ppl, then “people with vaginas” is the perfect phrase to use. and if talking about ppl with vaginas who all identify as women, cis women is more fitting.
“female” is a very vague way of referring to something. some ppl use it to describe gender identity, others use it to talk about ppl with vaginas, others again use it to refer to ppl with estrogen-dominant hormonal systems, etc. etc.
When the genital sexuals came on the scene. You know the ones who want to check everyone’s genitals to make sure they are what they say they are. The ones who are only attracted to the genitals, they could care less what is attached to them.
For them genitals is life and they have infiltrated our government to pass laws like bathroom bills. This will allow them to examine everyone’s genitals. So far they appear to be winning and everyone’s genitals will soon be seen them.
The Genital Safety Administration (GSA) will need to have a booth in front of our bathrooms there to perform their checks. Another genital sexual licking their lips in anticipation next time you have to drop a deuce.
People with vaginas is the right terminology if discussing something that pertains to vaginas. Eg. “People with vaginas should make sure to see a gynecologist regularly.” in this case, saying “women” would exclude/misgender many trans and intersex people who have vaginas but are not women, while also including some women who do not have vaginas and would not need to see a gynecologist
The person you replied to said “female” though. As far as I know, “Man”/“Woman” is on the gender side while “Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.
Although taking all three into account may just make it hard to determine. But it does imply that “male woman” and “female man” are also valid combinations.
Male and Female are still normative exclusionary categories that describe trends within physiology and not hard rules or limits. Sex is not a golden rule. It is a human created category in the same way gender is.
If you want to talk about specific anatomy there is no reason why you can’t talk about the anatomy you’re referring to.
Sex is a lot more complicated than male/female. There’s a bunch of different sex characteristics that make up “sex” and people can have all sorts of different combinations of them. If you just use a male/female binary, that doesn’t tell people what sex characteristic you’re referring to. Maybe something affects people based on chromosones, in which case people who are xy but otherwise “female” (like with cais) would go in the “male” category and vice versa. Or maybe something affects people based on hormones, in which case transgender people taking hrt would have to be categorized based on that. If you say “male/female”, no one knows if you’re talking about hormones, or genitals, or chromosones, or gonads, or whatever else, so it’s best to be specific and use language like “people with [body part]”
“Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.
Not really, I don’t think. They’re just the adjectives where woman/man are the nouns. If you talk about a male coworker I assume he’s a man, not that you checked his birth certificate.
Casual erasure of post-op trans people is really fascinating to me. Like, how did our culture shift from the first thing people think about trans people being “have you had tHe sURgErY yet???” to “if you have a vagina and are a woman you are cis”?
Im a hoe and I dont have a vagina so it clearly doesn’t even work 😋
Could you see to my garden plx
I hate that society attached hoe to women like equal rights men can be slutty
‘Extra-chromo-sapiens’.
The other ones are ‘whiny-chromo-sapiens’.
‘Arsehole’ is a good cross gender term for any humans of known or unknown sex.
You remember how everyone just used to say women 10-20 years ago? I guess that’s woke now. So much for conserving.
Woman is transphobic.
Lmao nice try rightoid.
Why yes, famously trans women hate the word women so much they use it on themselves /s
But cis-women do hate trans-woman, they invented the term “Transmaxxing”
Really? Most of my friends and family are super conservative and even though they disagree with the whole concept of transsexuality none of them hate trans women. Maybe you’re protecting your bigotry.
The multiple of “trans woman” is “trans women” just like with “cis women” not “trans-woman”.
There’s also no dash in either “cis women” or “trans women”, it’s not half-cis half-woman like Spider-Man, it’s just a descriptor adjective, like “cis woman” and “trans woman”.
“Cis” and “Trans” of course come from the Latin prefix “this side of” such as in Cislunar Orbit or Translunar Injection (TLI) in astrodynamics or the Cisalpine Gaul in historical geography or in Cis/Trans isomerism in Chemistry.
“Transmaxxing” is primarily used by incels that believe transition can be a way out of their inceldom, similar to gymmaxing etc., while I’ve never heard of anyone actually transitioning for such silly reasons as it’s a helluva thing to do, I doubt that this would work out in their favour.
Additionally while many cis women do hate trans women, statistically speaking they are less likely to be against trans rights than men, especially on issues like trans women using the women’s bathroom or gyms or other issues that upset some cis people like healthcare access for trans children via either hormones or puberty blockers.
Source from surveys carried out on TERF Island in 2020 and 2022:
https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/30906-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights
Let me know if you need further help.
No no no, It was coined by Cis White women to trash Trans-Women, PERIOD Stop scapegoating incels for everything & stop being a sex-obsessed creep (who wants to peek at other’s sex-life) as well, get some therapy
Well you brought up up the matter, not me, I don’t have any interest in sex lives of incels or anyone else really, I don’t think it’s wrong to discuss such subjects on the internet though, there’s really nothing to be ashamed of, I didn’t lose my virginity till 20. It’s really all okay.
Sexism is a helluva drug.
What
Ladies wasn’t used in the Original Post.
When playing a RPG of some sort, sometimes they give you the ability to reallocate all your talent points in a different way. Such as switching from melee focused to something magic oriented like a wizard or a witch. This is called a Respec, short for Re-specialization.
Respec sounds very similar to Respect. The Original Post is about respecting women.
I appreciate your interest in my comment, hope you have a nice day. Take care.
Thank you for your thorough explanation, I now understand the joke and will react accordingly:
“Heh, that’s pretty good.”
Agreed
Trans women want to be referred to as just women, and biological women don’t want to be referred to as Cis women, so other than female, what is there?
I agree that I get the ick from female when referred to by certain men, but at this point, I don’t see another option.
Not wanting to be referred to as cis, is just as ridiculous as not wanting to be referred to as straight. It just means “not trans”. The women who don’t want to be referred to as cis are TERFs, so their opinions are irrelevant.
Is it just as ridiculous as not wanting to be referred to as trans? Why label what something is not rather than what something is?
The problem is female and women aren’t grammatically equivalent, so you can’t just drop one in place of the other anytime you want. It bugs me when people say woman president. Imagine electing a man president. The correct word in that case is male. You’d be electing a male president. I don’t care about anyone’s politics. I’m just getting tired of people in suits on tv using poor language and being asked to be taken seriously. And I’m not singling out democrats. Republicans adopted that language too. There are people on tv who wouldn’t pass kindergarten telling us what they think will affect GDP.
/s?
I sure hope so
The other option is “women”
Works for most conversations, I agree
In most contexts, you’d just say…”people”.
Or, if you’re actually trying to make a demographic-wide statement, like how women aren’t good at video games, you’d just say:
“IGNORE ME, I AN A SEXIST MORON.”
Basically, the meme isn’t much meant for the word choice, it’s how often incels have statements to make on half the population.
‘feminine species’ 😭😭😭
TIL that apparently we’re an entirely different species. Homo sapiens and lesbo sapiens?
That kind of fella would use something derogatory instead of sapiens for women. That is, assuming they even knew what sapiens stood for in the first place.
I call em Snatchers
Is the cute name “beaver” still used?
Are Beavers really cute? The teeth of these large water rodents are orange because they are full of iron, these teeth never stop growing.
But if you are being serious, women don’t really like being reduced to names that refer to their pudendum. It is objectifying.
Source: Canadian woman.
Of course women don’t like being reduced to names. But all hetero males do it. It starts with little boys in grammar school and no matter how old you are it never stops. Now this is not something that a normal guy would ever say out loud to a woman but they are thinking it just the same. Human nature has embedded this into the hetero male DNA. It’s not a denegration of women. Every male has a mother, sister, or daughter and would never want them disrespected.
As far as male slang terms for vagina, I think it’s a long list. Though I don’t think women use many slang terms for male anatomy. I’d guess because sex for a woman is mostly emotional. For a guy, while it may be emotional it is foremost a fun physical activity which makes it easier to joke about. Remembering back to my grammar school days, I believe the origin of “beaver” is that back then women had lots of pubic hair. Pubic hair trimming and “landing pads” were not in vogue. And the pubic hair surrounding a vagina sort of had the look of a “beaver”.
What is a woman?
Someone who covers her drink when you enter the room
Try taking to one and find out.
Meanwhile: males, dudes, guys, homies, fellas, bois, bros, lads, laddie, mates, geezers, chaps, gents, boss, hoss, cheif, buddy, pal, son, sonny, sonny boy, muchacho, hombre, old timer, Mac, Joe…
“Yeah what’s up?”
I don’t think we need to cancel Guys and Dolls just yet.
I love that half of these are fully gender neutral terms of endearment in Australia 😂
Honestly a lot of them start out as or still contextually imply “males” in the US, but can be used gender neutrally as well now too. Like “how you guys doing” vs “hanging out with the guys.”
It’s interesting isn’t it? “Guys” can include women, and can even be a group of only women, but you can’t talk about a single woman as a guy - “I snogged this gorgeous guy last night”.
Using “guys” for a group of only women works only in 2nd person. You can say “I love you guys!” to a group of women, but you can’t say “I was hanging out with the guys” when talking about the same group.
That’s a huge word salat just to say “I’m an incel”
salat
Found the Ger(wo)man.
Is female derogatory? I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
It’s not inherently derogatory, but it does hold a connotation if you refer to women as females particularly in contexts where you wouldn’t/don’t refer to men as males.
I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
Scientifc classification by sex. Referring to others by their biological sex in a social context is weird and creepy. Even if you believe sex and gender are the same thing, it’s still weird to call people by their sex. “Hello, male human. Want to ingest some fried pieces of cow flesh tonight?”
It is not. Americans are insane.
Found the incel!
Found a USian.
Using scientific terminology in colloquial speech is weird and creepy in most contexts. Calling kids “juveniles” and women “females” carries certain connotations, most of them bad.
I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
It’s a classification of sex like biological characteristics, like chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive organs. Are you asking about that?
Gender is a social construct. Just like race. Where you can be a Black person who is British. Or a Filipino American.
Using female as a noun (rather than as an adjective, such as in the phrase “female firefighter”, or any phrase of the format “female $noun”) is generally overly clinical and dehumanizing. Some people do it out of habit due to their profession-- usually researchers or soldiers-- but they usually say “males and females”, which while still weird isn’t the worst.
The guys who say “men and females” are the ones you need to watch out for.
Ohhhhh Watch out for what ?
Incel bullshit
Sex-obsessed creep
I mean, you are the one that freaks out when someone mentions the word incel, so I’m thinking that applies to you more than me.
If you are calling a woman “a female”, and aren’t a cop discussing a victim or a doctor writing a chart, then yes, it’s fucking derogatory.
We’re not Ferengi.
Yep. A lot of incels seemingly are unfamiliar with scientific classification and try to use it in casual statements.
Like, they sound real stupid trying to redirect it to be about science then saying phrases like “boobs and tits”.
Yes using scientific terminology can be derogatory. But in this case, acting like the opposite gender is a species on its own, classifying them as animals and slurring all women as hoes gave it away for me.
What is the difference between “people with vaginas” and “people with vaginas of the feminine species”? And what is the “feminine species”? Is it some (unspecified?) species where every specimen is of the feminine gender?
like how all cats are girls and all dogs are boys?
People with vaginas include some trans men. The idiot in OP is not totally wrong. People with vaginas are females. But what he means is (cis) women.
Also trans women can have vaginas (surgery), and it is possible to be born with a vagina but no (functioning) uterus.
The way the OP phrases it rules out trans men who have vaginas, trans women who have vaginas, and a bunch of cis women who’ve had certain pelvic traumas or cancers and therefore don’t have vaginas.
What he’s trying to say is “if you were born with a vagina and you align with it” which is actually still funny because I was born with my vagina, I like my vagina, I’ll be happily keeping it even after all my surgeries…but if this OP saw my face he would put me in the “trans man” bucket because they lack nuance around identity.
He calls them the “female species” because the can’t (won’t) successfully breed with his own.
